Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Friday 09 April 2010 09:03:03 John Smith wrote: Although that brings up another issue about how coastlines are legally defined as being at the mean low tide mark Actually this is completely irrelevant. In OSM the

[Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread NopMap
Hi! In the German forum there is an ongoing discussion on this matter. Frequently there are tracks that are paved (usually concrete or paving stones) only in the lanes/grooves (what is the proper word for the outsides of the track where the wheels run), but have an unpaved center. Obivously the

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Dave F.
Cartinus wrote: On Thursday 08 April 2010 22:00:54 John Smith wrote: From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. This is not the case. Many lakes have beaches, either natural or even man made. Do not use this tag

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 10 April 2010 08:44:43 Erik Johansson wrote: On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: In OSM the coastline is not defined that way. Please! There is no definition, if you want to define your beach/waterline as mapped in a specific tide then tag the

Re: [Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread Cartinus
I think most people outside of Germany would simply tag this as tracktype=grade1. The only reason you have a problem is that in Germany this tag is highjacked for paved roads with the sign Land- und Forstwirtshaft gestattet -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/9 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: many towns in upstate NY have town beaches on local lakes. In Berlin we have beaches (Oststrand [1+2] ) at the river and even in the zoo ;-) [3] cheers, Martin btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the beaches-hack is not

Re: [Tagging] Additional value for tracktype

2010-04-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/10 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: Now, about paved on the outside and unpaved in the middle: given the fact that paved roads shouldn't be tagged as tracks anyway, ... why not? Of course they are: grade1-tracks have to be paved (or similar surface like very compounded hardcore).

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the beaches-hack is not to be kept eternally... It doesn't look like anyone ever filed a bug about this, so I just added one:

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer an John Details anzeigen 17:04 (Vor 0 Minuten) 2010/4/10 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: - Zitierten Text anzeigen - On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 01:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I see you filed this ticket for natural=sand. This doesn't literally apply to berlin beaches, as they are all man_made. That's why I suggested surface=sand (doesn't matter if it's natural or not). I don't think it

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 3:36 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it matters if it's a man made beach or not, natural=tree is used for planter boxes in the middle of the street, I'm pretty sure that isn't 100% natural :) Hmm. Yes, we also have natural=water whether

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Lennard
On 11-4-2010 0:50, Roy Wallace wrote: city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach. But in Australia sand, is frequently dumped on beaches bordering the sea, to top up the sand for the tourists. At what point would that change from natural=beach to landuse=beach? Not just for tourists,

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 08:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach. For a beach created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a city, to me, that's

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread Liz
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach. For a beach created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach.

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 09:03, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: +1 for landuse=beach, providing that includes beach below high tide mark, and hoping that no person thinks that should be seause=beach I don't see an overly compelling reason to change the existing tag, however there are things like golf

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 11:23, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Not wanting to hijack this thread onto another subject, but the general problem is using adjectives (natural) instead of nouns (landuse) for Most sand is the product of a natural process, rather than being created even if it's moved,