Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 31.08.2010 20:58, David Earl wrote: Just to throw something else into this discussion... highway=steps It doesn't (or at least, isn't documented as) have direction, but _could_ have in the same way as rivers (direction of way is down the steps, say). To quote the wiki: (http://wiki.opens

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > so "flow_direction" ? How would you know if local waterways have the wrong direction without specifically checking for the problem? OSM relies on the "enough eyeballs" principle for finding major errors. __

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> > A bug... there is few maps (even commercial) that "render" the flow > >> > direction. I dont see this issue as a bug but perhaps a missing feature > >> > or a request feature. > >> > >> It's a bug given the current tagging standard. All the eyeballs in the > >> worl

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > Nathan Edgars II > wrote: > >> > A bug... there is few maps (even commercial) that "render" the flow >> > direction. I dont see this issue as a bug but perhaps a missing feature >> > or a request feature. >> >> It's a bug given the cur

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > A bug... there is few maps (even commercial) that "render" the flow > > direction. I dont see this issue as a bug but perhaps a missing feature > > or a request feature. > > It's a bug given the current tagging standard. All the eyeballs in the > world can't find an e

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > Nathan Edgars II > wrote: >> Anyway, bug filed: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3198 > > A bug... there is few maps (even commercial) that "render" the flow > direction. I dont see this issue as a bug but perhaps a missing feature

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Mmh... It say that you can go on this waterway (on boat) only in this > > direction. oneway is a restriction, not a direction... > > Yes, like oneway=yes on a road means you can only walk that way... oh. No oneway apply to the main transport vehicule that the way is

[Tagging] sport=beachvolleyball?

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'm wondering if there's a reason this is beachvolleyball rather than beach_volleyball. Most other tags seem to have underscores where spaces would go between words. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listin

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Perhaps you can explain how I or anyone else will determine the > direction of this waterway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=73765043 http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm ? > I don't know of any other feature

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > Mmh... It say that you can go on this waterway (on boat) only in this > direction. oneway is a restriction, not a direction... Yes, like oneway=yes on a road means you can only walk that way... oh. Anyway, bug filed: http://trac.open

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Richard Fairhurst" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction Nathan Edgars II wrote: Adding a oneway tag explicitly says that it flows that way. Please please don't do that. Navigable waterways do sometimes

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Yes and the direction defined by the OSM way is a very old definition on the > > wiki and a large consensus since years. Adding a oneway tag to solve a > > Mapnik issue is what you know. > > Adding a oneway tag explicitly says that it flows that way. Mmh... It say t

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Adding a oneway tag explicitly says that it flows that way. Please please don't do that. Navigable waterways do sometimes have oneway sections for boats. For example, it's common on river bridges for one arch to be devoted to upstream traffic, another to downstream. Th

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread David Earl
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't know of any other feature where the direction of the way means something *without* another tag being added. I've traced a number of waterways from aerials and never had any idea I was suppose

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/31/10 2:14 PM, Michael Barabanov wrote: How about a kayaker having a hard time going against oneway=yes ? :) F=ma it's not just a good idea, it's the law. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Michael Barabanov
How about a kayaker having a hard time going against oneway=yes ? :) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:48 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > > wrote: > >> 2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : > >>> A

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : >>> Adding a oneway tag explicitly says that it flows that way. >> no, according to the oneway-definition in the wiki it says that >> traffic is only allowed in this directi

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : >> Adding a oneway tag explicitly says that it flows that way. > no, according to the oneway-definition in the wiki it says that > traffic is only allowed in this direction: it is a legal restriction Gravit

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : > Adding a oneway tag explicitly says that it flows that way. no, according to the oneway-definition in the wiki it says that traffic is only allowed in this direction: it is a legal restriction > It also makes it possible to see errors - how are > you going to get e

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II > wrote: >>Someone else wrote but Pieren removed the attribution: >> >> > BTW if you add oneway=yes tag, it renders nicely on mapnik. As an >> > example, >> > converted Canadian NHN streams have

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > BTW if you add oneway=yes tag, it renders nicely on mapnik. As an > example, > > converted Canadian NHN streams have oneway=yes. > > Yeah - what started this thread was someone objecting to my use of > oneway=yes on a waterway :) > > Y

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Michael Barabanov wrote: > BTW if you add oneway=yes tag, it renders nicely on mapnik. As an example, > converted Canadian NHN streams have oneway=yes. Yeah - what started this thread was someone objecting to my use of oneway=yes on a waterway :) _

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Michael Barabanov
BTW if you add oneway=yes tag, it renders nicely on mapnik. As an example, converted Canadian NHN streams have oneway=yes. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 31.08.2010 14:40, Peter Wendorff wrote: > > On 31.08.2010 13:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Personally I al

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Alex Ruddick
Well, chalk it up to "you learn something new every day." It makes a lot of sense, and from what I've seen, is nearly universally used. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > I don't know of any other feature where the direction of the way means > something *without* anothe

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 31.08.2010 14:40, Peter Wendorff wrote: > On 31.08.2010 13:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Personally I also map steps in a way that >> the point from down to up. > agree - but at steps that's not the common default, so I add > direction=up always. I'm using incline=up - which apparently is

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 31.08.2010 13:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Personally I also map steps in a way that the point from down to up. agree - but at steps that's not the common default, so I add direction=up always. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@op

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > In the case you posted you could stand on Eastbrook Boulevard and see > in which direction it flows. And if it's not moving? Do I drop dye in and wait? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@opens

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 27.08.2010 00:11, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Only using the relations I fear your problem is not solved, too: > Consider a street where at the side is a sidewalk, and in between > constantly changing a strip of grass, parking line, both of them, nothing. > How would you render that only using tags

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : > Perhaps you can explain how I or anyone else will determine the > direction of this waterway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=73765043 > Should I ask one of the residents if I can go into their backyard and > dump food coloring in the water? If the direction of a

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote: >> motorway,motorway_lin >> >> In both the direction of the way means something withou another tag being >> added.  However most add oneway=yes to these. also in junction=roundabout. Personally I also map steps in a way that the point from

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying "x is attached to y"?

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Tom Chance : > Based on this discussion, it seems that the best advice to put on my > proposal for power generators is: > > - use site relations where the power=generator objects don't obviously > overlap with the buildings they relate to, particularly where you are > dealing with a clust

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
2010/8/31 Matthias Meißer : > Is there any reason why you discuss this tag using this title? > This is anoying cause my filter dont match. Is there any reason you don't quote any text so that we would know what you're talking about? ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-31 Thread Matthias Meißer
Is there any reason why you discuss this tag using this title? This is anoying cause my filter dont match. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > motorway,motorway_link > > In both the direction of the way means something withou another tag being > added. However most add oneway=yes to these. Hmmm, true. They are however rendered differently on the most common renderers, which actual

Re: [Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > a) you will add a note or FIXME to express this to the following > > mapper. At least you have a 50% chance that it is already right. > > Perhaps you can explain how I or anyone else will determine the > direction of this waterwa

[Tagging] Waterway direction

2010-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > a) you will add a note or FIXME to express this to the following > mapper. At least you have a 50% chance that it is already right. Perhaps you can explain how I or anyone else will determine the direction of this waterway: http://www.

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying "x is attached to y"?

2010-08-31 Thread Tom Chance
On 30 August 2010 14:18, Richard Welty wrote: > On 8/30/10 9:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> +1, but site-relations might still be useful in the context of power >> generators. There are situations where the single objects do not >> overlap but are side a side, for example you might have

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Nathan Edgars II : >> Oops it's not lost. It's on the waterway=river and waterway=stream wiki >> pages. > > So how do you specify that (a) you mapped a waterway but don't know > the direction of flow, (b) it's a stagnant channel with no real flow, > or (c) it's an artificial drainage can

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-31 Thread Liz
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > yes, you can see that arthur st/wastell ct. in the east has an > informal footway (the one of the link I modified from yours), in the > west it hasn't. You can also see it on the nearmap aerial (even though > it is a bit hard to see it because it "h

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Anthony : > Huh?  You realize this is the same location as your aerial, right? > The aerial which you said showed no footway, and the google street > view which you say does have the same lat/lon. yes, you can see that arthur st/wastell ct. in the east has an informal footway (the one o

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:27 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/8/31 Anthony : >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=-34.854348,138.535446&sll=28.0725,-82.548614&sspn=0.010981,0.01472&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.854396,138.535563&spn=0.000638,0.00092&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=-34.854406

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/31 Anthony : > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=-34.854348,138.535446&sll=28.0725,-82.548614&sspn=0.010981,0.01472&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.854396,138.535563&spn=0.000638,0.00092&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=-34.854406,138.535454&panoid=A6Al6CHbuWxD2rMFncHI3A&cbp=12,354.25,,0,21.14