Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 September 2010 08:47, Andrew Harvey wrote: > What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary > actually had a name, e.g. "X Y Border", but the river also has a > different name. Since it would be almost impossible for a single way along a river to be a closed area, you

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/22/10 6:47 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. "X Y Border", but the river also has a different name. one of the operative theories here is that in cases of shared ways, we should be using the higher level

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I think "one feature, one object" is usually used in the other > direction: you don't tag the boundary name=x and also put it in a > boundary relation with name=x. You don't put a fast_food node in the > middle of a building that only hold

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > As for the specific question, I would say that if the boundary is > defined by the natural feature, it's probably OK to use one way. For > example, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/78384443 is legally > defined as "...to the water's

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Quite a number of times I've noticed a single way having the tag > boundary=administrative (I assume having come from the Australian ABS > import and being part of a larger relation marking some town or > suburb) but also having waterway=stre

[Tagging] BE vs AE: kerb

2010-09-22 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Recently someone noted on the tagging-ML, that curb is AE and the OSM-style would be kerb. Unfortunately curb is quite frequent in the wiki (and probably in tagging although I think tagging kerbs is not yet a well established practise). I encourage everybody to stick to one of our golden rules and

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 September 2010 21:43, Andrew Harvey wrote: > They may need to be split later anyway if the river moves (say from > erosion), but the administrative boundary doesn't. If however a river > and boundary were split into different ways now then tags aren't mixed > and cannot cause conflicts later

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 14:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/22 Vincent Pottier: yes. I use the 3d way (drawing 2 ways sharing nodes). I prefer this method for the reason given : if the bank/flow changes, the border may not. and you will be happily unglueing nodes till the end of your days

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 14:17, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Vincent Pottier wrote: on JOSM : copy the way (ctr + C), create a new layer (ctrl + N) and don't clic in it, paste the way (ctrl + V) (the nodes are at the same place), put the tags, merge the layers, merge the dupl

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Willi wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/Code_of_Conduct > .. you may read in the Wiki are not a carte blanche for you to change > everything so that it > fits the Wiki "rules". > > And, of course, these "rules" include the "code of conduc

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Willi
On 22. September 2010 18:20 Andrew Harvey [andrew.harv...@gmail.com] wrote: > If this is the agreed upon thing then it would be great if someone could > run a script that split the waterway tags from the boundary ones into a new way. On 22. September 2010 18:32 Pierre-Alain Dorange [pdora...@mac.

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Vincent Pottier wrote: > on JOSM : > copy the way (ctr + C), > create a new layer (ctrl + N) and don't clic in it, > paste the way (ctrl + V) (the nodes are at the same place), > put the tags, > merge the layers, > merge the duplicated nodes (validator plugin), >

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/22 Vincent Pottier : > yes. I use the 3d way (drawing 2 ways sharing nodes). I prefer this method > for the reason given : if the bank/flow changes, the border may not. and you will be happily unglueing nodes till the end of your days ;-) cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 13:36, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: With JOSM you can achieve that by drawing a way by clicking on the node one by one. It will draw a new way using the same nodes. That is okay for a couple nodes, but is error prone

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:29 PM, John Smith wrote: > Boundaries aren't a physical object, and they're not properly dealt > with most of the time in any case. > > Waterways is one of the few things, especially where no hi-res imagery > is available, I actually think they can be shared. Take for exa

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > With JOSM you can achieve that by drawing a way by clicking on the node > one by one. It will draw a new way using the same nodes. That is okay for a couple nodes, but is error prone and tedious for hundreds of nodes (like if you are

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Andrew Harvey wrote: > I would guess that the correct thing to do is have two different ways > which share the same nodes, one for the river and another for the > boundary. But I don't know how to duplicate an existing way like this > in JOSM. With JOSM you can achieve that by drawing a way by c

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 September 2010 21:19, Andrew Harvey wrote: > My interpretation of the "One feature, one OSM-object" suggestion I can only assume that was referring to physical objects, rather than meta information. Boundaries aren't a physical object, and they're not properly dealt with most of the time i

[Tagging] Interpreting "One feature, one OSM-object"

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
Quite a number of times I've noticed a single way having the tag boundary=administrative (I assume having come from the Australian ABS import and being part of a larger relation marking some town or suburb) but also having waterway=stream (for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/3812806