Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Willi
On 19. November 2010 13:40 Andrew Errington [a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk] wrote: I wish to tag an island with its name. Except that the name refers to a group of islands, and each of these islands have their own name. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.24164lon=131.86871zoom=16layers=M

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Willi wil...@gmx.de wrote: 2) If the answer is 'use a relation', have I done it properly, and if so, why isn't Mapnik rendering the name properly? 2) If and how a feature is rendered is up to the renderer. The mapper can't and imho shouldn't try to control

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-19 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: I don't know if it's legal to park here and walk around the gate into the park, but assume for the sake of argument that it is. How do we tell the router to instead use the main entrance to the south?  In this case, the way in

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Feddern
Erik Johansson schrieb: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Willi wil...@gmx.de wrote: 2) If the answer is 'use a relation', have I done it properly, and if so, why isn't Mapnik rendering the name properly? 2) If and how a feature is rendered is up to the renderer. The mapper

[Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
what are people doing for this? the truck oriented access tags in the wiki are oriented towards UK legal categories whereas i'm basically looking at a simple sign that says no trucks. the wiki would have me use goods=no hgv=no whereas truck=no seems like a logical extension of the current

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does truck have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count? What something like an El Camino? Cheers, Andy * Westminster Council via

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does truck have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count? What something like an El Camino?

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/11/2010 13:40, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/19/10 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does truck have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.85594mlon=-89.9528zoom=15layers=M Hum... Should private access roads really render as ordinary roads in zoom 14 and less? Bug in mapnik? I think you are right. It would probably better not to display them

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Probably use a multipolygon with place=island. -1. I agree for the multipolygon but I wouldn't put place=island, because IMHO that would mean that there is one island where in this example in the real world there are actually two. I would simply

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: place=island is used to identify noteworthy places that are isolated enough to justify a label at a low zoom. ...So it would be wrong to apply it to a single island in a group... I don't know where you get this impression from

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
HGV = Heavy Goods Vehicle. It seems to be broadly identical (give or take a couple of tons/tonnes) with a US truck so hgv=destination (or hgv=no) would seem to be correct Feel free to add a note on the wiki that hgv is en-gb for truck Or feel free to use truck=destination (or truck=no), and if

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: From memory in the Western US I've seen no trucks and then in smaller writing over 6 tons or similar.  Some kind of note about what the local rules are likely to be (or something explicit, if it's explicit).  I'm sure other people can suggest

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: That definition is correct - for single islands. piece should probably be changed to piece (or group of pieces) to make it work for archipelagos, and fit with the general intention of the key (to determine what priority should be given to

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The hgv-class is defined for vehicles over 3.5 t, if your legislation has different weight limits I'd suggest to introduce a different value/key and document that on the access-page in the wiki. No, why ? If

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 19 Nov 2010, at 8:58 , Pieren wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The hgv-class is defined for vehicles over 3.5 t, if your legislation has different weight limits I'd suggest to introduce a different value/key and document that on

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread john
I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain length, or forbidding trucks with tandem trailers, because the road in question doesn't have room for a vehicle that size to turn

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/19/2010 07:40 AM, Richard Welty wrote: also truck prohibitions are not intended to prevent lawn services, delivery services (UPS, Fedex, the guy with the new refrigerator) and the like from carrying out normal business. This is true only if the Except Local Deliveries or similar add-on

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: The hgv-class is defined for vehicles over 3.5 t, if your legislation has different weight limits I'd suggest to introduce a different value/key and document that on the access-page in the wiki. No, why ? If the min/max weight is different, then improve

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain length, or forbidding trucks with tandem trailers, because the road in question

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 2:47 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 11/19/2010 07:40 AM, Richard Welty wrote: also truck prohibitions are not intended to prevent lawn services, delivery services (UPS, Fedex, the guy with the new refrigerator) and the like from carrying out normal business. This is true only if the

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/19/2010 06:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Richard Welty rwelty-Fu78d/dmhrmzesifbgk...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also