Re: [Tagging] landuse: illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-04-01 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 01:09, Dave F. wrote: > Guessing has no place in OSM. What about smoothness? tracktype? (operator for that matter? how many checks official company papers?) > Please take advice from the vast majority of repliers & drop this proposal. I'm taking slowly, but still got posi

Re: [Tagging] landuse: illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-04-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/04/2011 23:46, Peter Gervai wrote: I like "unofficial", and "unauthorised" (sp :)) even more. I'll update the wiki page. But, related to your original proposal, that's still subjective guess work. Guessing has no place in OSM. Please take advice from the vast majority of repliers & drop

Re: [Tagging] landuse: illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-04-01 Thread Peter Gervai
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 15:45, McGuire, Matthew wrote: >>>Serge> 2. Carries a lot of weight. It's a serious thing to accuse >>>Serge> someone/something of being illegal. > >>Peter>I disagree, please help to find a different word then. > How about, "de facto", "unofficial", "unauthorized" or "info

[Tagging] RFC: Directional Flow

2011-04-01 Thread Paul Norman
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/directional Some things to note - This does not redefine the existing convention of waterways flowing in the direction of the way. - directional=-1 is included for completeness, I do not expect it to be used frequently. - Unknown values shoul

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread john
Well, what I was thinking (but didn't express clearly) was that whether you see a reversal, or merely a slowing, would depend upon where in the estuary you measured the flow. Thanks for the clarification on the tidal bore terminology.. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Any sup

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Colin Smale
On 01/04/2011 17:47, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One example of a waterway with reversing flow would be the estuary of a river. While the tide is rising, the flow in the estuary may slow, come to a standstill, or even temporarily reverse directions (called a tidal bore). Surely most estuaries r

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread Ilya Zverev
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:55:06 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > So looking at wikipedia also for lake I found that basically the main > difference between the two is the size but also, how deep it is. If it were > only the size this tag would not be needed, because unless you draw lakes > as sin

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 > One example of a waterway with reversing flow would be the estuary of a > river. While the tide is rising, the flow in the estuary may slow, come to > a standstill, or even temporarily reverse directions (called a tidal bore). > > Yes, but they are not covered by current proposed wat

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Ilya Zverev > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:35:37 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > >> what natural=water on an area means. Is this area a lake, a pond? We > have > >> no means to determine that now. > > > > could you expand what a "pond" is? I get several translations for this, > > ran

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread john
One example of a waterway with reversing flow would be the estuary of a river. While the tide is rising, the flow in the estuary may slow, come to a standstill, or even temporarily reverse directions (called a tidal bore). ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Any support for a fl

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread Ilya Zverev
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:35:37 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> what natural=water on an area means. Is this area a lake, a pond? We have >> no means to determine that now. > > could you expand what a "pond" is? I get several translations for this, > ranging from natural to artificial bodies o

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/1/2011 11:40 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: OK, interesting case, what do you propose for the conditional tagging? Do you have specifics how much is "high water"? Most likely the water management district decides on a case-by-case basis. I would guess that there are also waterways with no "

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/1/2011 11:35 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: (not sure if "fountain" applies to the kind of big flat water areas you can typically find in front of castles which are positioned there to reflect the castle?) Those are called reflecting pools. ___

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II > On 4/1/2011 11:24 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> like an overfall). >> if I get this right (sounds >> > > No, it's the same canal, with water flowing the other direction. This is > the S-58 structure: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=944499871 There is > normal

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Ilya Zverev > what natural=water on an area means. Is this area a lake, a pond? We have > no means to determine that now. > > could you expand what a "pond" is? I get several translations for this, ranging from natural to artificial bodies of water. How do you suggest would a large foun

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/1/2011 11:24 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> http://my.sfwmd.gov/portal/page/portal/xrepository/sfwmd_repository_pdf/lake_management_area_descriptions.pdf "The smaller S-58 water control structure located at the north end of

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II > On 4/1/2011 10:38 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Yes of course. I set FIXME=please check flow direction if I am unsure >> (usually you can deduct the flow direction but there is rare cases where >> it is not possible). >> > With manmade channels it's far from rare

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/1/2011 10:38 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes of course. I set FIXME=please check flow direction if I am unsure (usually you can deduct the flow direction but there is rare cases where it is not possible). With manmade channels it's far from rare. Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?wa

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread Ilya Zverev
Dave F. wrote: > Aren't most of these in use already? > "water=river A body of river, which is currently mapped as > waterway=riverbank." > You seem to be unaware of waterway=river. Please refer to his for a > complete tagging guide: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dri

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II > On 4/1/2011 9:53 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> flow of waterways in mapnik would help to fix those errors, because more >> people would become aware. >> mapping error. What if a coastline is drawn the other way? Rendering the >> > > Still doesn't deal with unknow

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/04/2011 05:30, Ilya Zverev wrote: Hi. At some point we've been fed up with fixing name=Pond and such, so I guess it's time to be more specific about what natural=water is. I suggest a new detail tag, water=*. It's pretty straightforward, but there are some deprecations (which at this point

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/1/2011 9:53 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/31 Lennard mailto:l...@xs4all.nl>> If the direction of the way is drawn in the same flow of the water, it should always be drawn with an arrow. What if it's drawn the other way? mapping error. What if a coastline is draw

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/31 Lennard > If the direction of the way is drawn in the same flow of the water, it > >> should always be drawn with an arrow. >> > > What if it's drawn the other way? > > mapping error. What if a coastline is drawn the other way? Rendering the flow of waterways in mapnik would help to fi

Re: [Tagging] landuse: illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-04-01 Thread McGuire, Matthew
>On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:56:50 +200 Peter Gervai wrote: >>On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 13:56, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >>Serge> 2. Carries a lot of weight. It's a serious thing to accuse >>Serge> someone/something of being illegal. >Peter>I disagree, please help to find a different word then. How

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-01 Thread SomeoneElse
On 01/04/2011 13:42, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/1 Ulf Lamping: Excellent example of wiki fiddling ... at least this was discussed and voted about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/generator_rationalisation But not greatly used: http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Plane

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Ulf Lamping : > Am 27.03.2011 12:24, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange: >> >> Following recent international events, i start study nuclear site on >> OSM. >> >> Nuclear power plant seems presents and use >>        power=generator >>         power_source=nuclear >>         power_rating=2000 MW >

Re: [Tagging] Retaking the discussion on ATMs

2011-04-01 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
We've agreed in the spanish list to add the network tag to the ATM, so if there is no discussion against here, I will add that to the wiki. Noel er Envite signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-04-01 Thread Peter Gervai
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 13:56, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Peter> First, it's not simple and measurable, at least I really wonder how > Peter> many of us measured an incline which isn't signed (I have tried, takes > Peter> time and a bit of math, and I don't even play it for most of the > Peter> ca

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-01 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 27.03.2011 12:24, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange: Following recent international events, i start study nuclear site on OSM. Nuclear power plant seems presents and use power=generator power_source=nuclear power_rating=2000 MW but according to wiki, this was obsolete and