Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Proposed features/entrance/indoor-usage
Hello Peter,thank you for your comment.Indeed it seems to be quite difficult to achieve indoor mapping with OSM and JOSM at this moment. However there's currently a great deal of research being invested by universities on this topic. Our university (TU München) had several bachelor theses on the topic and our computer science department got mapped to some degree in multiple layers (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=11.6665525436401minlat=48.2617683410645maxlon=11.6693410873413maxlat=48.2632865905762). Me and three other master students got asked by our university to create a prototype routing application for Windows Phone as part of Imagine Cup. We are currently getting support by Microsoft and several local public transport organizations to connect valuable data into the prototype. I think when it's possible to prove that there is demand - by endusers and companies, more OSM users get interested in mapping buildings in their environment. Having a standard at that point in time will be crucial. There's already a lot going on with staircases, layers and certain elements on these layers. However there is nothing yet on doors and the mentioned feature proposal seems to fit naturally in there. I have been reading into OSM now for two days so I barely scratched the surface but I guess a CS graphics chair could add 3d plugins to JOSM to enable layered mapping. Do you know of anything in that direction? Andreas Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:30:38 +0100 From: wendo...@uni-paderborn.de To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Proposed features/entrance/indoor-usage Hi Andreas. I am kind of a detail mapper (mapping sidewalks as own ways and so on), but I am not sure about indoor mapping in general. All OSM editor programs I know are not well fitting into the area of editing more than one level/layer: bridges are okay as nodes are not on the same location most often, but more is difficult. If you ever tried to map a stairway from basement to the first floor (or above) of a building, winding around in between, you will probably know what I mean. Mapping rooms is similar: Often Walls are exactly on top of each other (as they carry the building's structure and roof). You see: mapping rooms is not trivial in general, but IMHO the problem is even bigger, if one already mapped the rooms of a building, while another one wants to fix e.g. the shape of the building itself (this may happen often). What to do now with the rooms? Of course that's a problem we always have when editing other's work; but here it's really much data that has to be corrected, and it's difficult to do so. Room entrances of course are only useful in combination with rooms - so that's my answer to your question. BUT: I would appreciate additions to JOSM (and other editors) helping to deal with problems like this: multiple levels, the always discussed problem of parallel osm-ways describing a road and so on. If there would exist software support, I can imagine useful additional mapping, yes. regards Peter Am 17.11.2011 07:13, schrieb Andreas Balzer: Hello, I'm fairly new to openstreetmaps. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/indoor-usage is kind of a no-brainer. There is a feature regarding entrances to buildings. For me it seems to be suited for indoor mapping to be used for entrances to rooms too. Would be nice to get comments on this. Thanks, Andreas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - entrance/door
Hello,I've added a proposal on how to tag doors. It would be nice to get your opinions on this.http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/door Thanks,Andreas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - entrance/door
I think this is a pretty good proposal. I've never heard of wing as a type of door, I'm more familiar with the term hinged, which is how Wikipedia also refers to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door#Types_of_mechanism I'd also suggest making the default type hinged, and adding: entrance:door:type=revolving (by default this is wheelchair=no) entrance:door:type=overhead (aka up-and-over, like a garage door) Also leaves seems to be in more common use than wings, so change: entrance:door:wings to entrance:door:leaves Though a bit verbose, I think entrance:door:electricallyoperated:switch should allow more than just yes, i.e. some doors will have wheelchair accessible switches, typically several feet in front of a door, and others will be right next to the door, making it less wheelchair accessible. Or at least make it clear whether the default is to assume wheelchair=yes or not when a switch is present. -Josh On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Andreas Balzer andreas.bal...@live.de wrote: Hello, I've added a proposal on how to tag doors. It would be nice to get your opinions on this. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/door Thanks, Andreas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - entrance/door
Hi Andreas, I think the following comment should also be incorporated into the proposal: Also leaves seems to be in more common use than wings, so change: entrance:door:wings to entrance:door:leaves Regards, Michael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Proposed features/entrance/indoor-usage
2011/11/17 Andreas Balzer em...@andreas-balzer.de: There is a feature regarding entrances to buildings. For me it seems to be suited for indoor mapping to be used for entrances to rooms too. Would be nice to get comments on this. You could use entrance=room for entrances to rooms. Maybe you'd also want to tag other doors, so barrier=door could be a tag. Our current tools are not very suited for mapping buildings (for drawing buildings you'd want good support for orthogonal drawing and maybe walls (double lines and automatic trimming at intersections and corners) and configurable snapping and maybe grids). There is already really a lot of commercial software for drawing buildings but very few open source and with a few extensions JOSM could become much better suited for mapping than these (actually there is already some nice support in JOSM in the extrude mode, so moving walls parallely is already possible, but for example you could have a divider tool to split one polygon or multipolygon into 2 multipolygons). Anyways, the problem that Peter mentioned remains: different levels. You won't need a real 3D model to do 3D-routing - besides very few cases of interesting architecture - so you could use 2D logics and go with building:level and filter this in the editor (and on the downside create structures that almost require a certain editor for mapping, the other mappers will not be able to improve the map without an editor who filters the data). I never use the filter function in JOSM but I think it is already possible to filter by any tag (building:level), and if you attach this tag to all elements in every level you already could handle this. Or you go for a separate database for upper and lower levels. You could integrate the ground level in OSM (not in infinite detail, but if we are talking about public buildings (and maybe also publicly accessible buildings) that might be OK, but if you already implement something for the other levels you can also set the building entrances as interfaces. A dedicated buildings-database linked to OSM could also have other benefits, you could add images, building drawings (raster, vector, 3D) and other information (Articles, Books, ... cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - entrance/door
Andreas, The number of wings tag sounds odd to me, a more general term would be leaves or panels, or even doors - ie, single or double door. If we're using these tags to help disabled access, I would add some tag about the door sill - it doesn't matter if the door opens easily or not if there is a raised door sill, sliding track, etc. Stephen Hope On 17 November 2011 22:16, Andreas Balzer andreas.bal...@live.de wrote: Hello, I've added a proposal on how to tag doors. It would be nice to get your opinions on this. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance/door Thanks, Andreas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
