Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 John F. Eldredge > I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web > site, which we already have tags defined for. > I think links are great, but its really not the same thing than having a tag that tells you a defined property. From a website you'd hardly b

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softp

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
These pictures also seem to include small play grounds in people's homes, and perhaps in shopping centres as well. I suppose small playgrounds in shopping centres (either supervised, like in Ikea, or unsupervised, like in McDonalds) are not intended to be included in this tag? I noticed by the way

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplay&client=firefox-a&hs=U7P&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Ao&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wro

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
I agree http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:00, John F. Eldredge wrote: I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread John F. Eldredge
Murry McEntire wrote: > "Soft Play" and "Softplay" are registered trademarks in the United > States > with United States and International coverage. > > Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com > > Murry > > > ---

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Stefan Tiran
Hi, Pieren wrote: > Why not simply "dress=no" ? ^^ Some people might argue for "dress=dismount". SCNR, Stefan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Murry McEntire
"Soft Play" and "Softplay" are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstr

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Instead of "soft play", what about "indoor play" (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Murry McEntire
A number of shopping malls in the U.S. have indoor playgrounds that consist of soft sculptures (vinyl or soft plastic over padded/flexible frames) amid padded flooring. They are free, not attended but cleaned regularly. A link to an article about such a playground: http://www.prweb.com/releases/201

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Satoshi IIDA
Interesting idea, i think. It could be applied to permanent POI, such a restaurant or so. It could be a bit classified like "grade" tag of highway=track? dress_code = formal : full suits, tie, traditional-wear dress_code = "something between here": I don't have enough word to distinguish that...

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread John F. Eldredge
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/23/2013 09:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > > I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress > code. > > Are you sure that this isn't taking things a bit too far for a > geographic database? Dresscodes will often apply to events, not > locations

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 pmsg > Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to > dresscode. > Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no > backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. You might want to think about > how such restrictions could be mapped in futu

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler > Hi Chaos, > > I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft > play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned > merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and > would be called and tagged differently. For examp

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler > I have just realised the link is broken. > I am sending the correct link here > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play > > I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. > Maybe a picture would help. Are these pneumatic structures?

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Ronnie Soak
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler > > > I think in my opinion the distinction between a playground and a soft > play centre is that a playground generally has a hard ground (or > sometimes rubbery), whereas a soft play centre (in the play area) has > a padded ground. In a soft play centre all the equipme

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged differently. For example, with a leisure=playground and indoo

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Ronnie Soak
There are centers like this in Germany, mostly just called "indoor playground". (I haven't seen one so far, but I heard awful stories from parents all around.) The term "soft play" wasn't known to me and I didn't think of child's entertainment when I read it (actually, I thought the opposite). The

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
Hi, I agree with Matthijs that we should avoid a UK centric mode of thought, which is why I stated I didn't know if this type of thing exists elsewhere. Apparently it does exist elsewhere, but not in exactly the same way. I have just remembered a soft play centre, that includes all parts of a soft

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recogni

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 13:22, Matthijs Melissen wrote: In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. No. The clue is in the word "indoors" in Dominic's docume

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that > concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from > recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 22/10/2013 16:43, Dominic Hosler wrote: I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. Looks absolutely fine. There are times when I'd use it on a node when the soft play is just one part of a larger building, but that's pretty much standard OSM practice anyway. Don't worry abo

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 12:55, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. Or you could just tag the ones you find using this perfectly sensible tag and not worry about it. In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that con

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
First of all, I can confirm such centres exist in the Netherlands and Luxembourg as well. So far I have tagged them as lesiure=playground, building=yes. I never heard of the name 'soft play centre', though, and I was not able to guess from the title what the proposal was about. Is there no name fri

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 12:27, pmsg wrote: Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to dresscode. Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. What about not being allowed in a bikeshed unless you have a bike?

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread pmsg
Hi Tom, Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to dresscode. Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. You might want to think about how such restrictions could be mapped in future and in what rela

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Thank you, Dominic. --- Dominic Hosler dominichosler at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 15:43:34 U

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Frederik Ramm > I just wondered if dresscode isn't too volatile a property to be mapped > and kept current. Fully agree if it's volatil. But in some cases, the information is stable and helpful. For instance, some casinos where some dress code can be required (

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/23/2013 11:59 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Phone numbers apply to mobile phones which move between locations. I should perhaps have said this another way. I wasn't talking about the moving itself, I was talking more about the event being detached from the location. Even if you go Harrods w

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Morris
I'm not sure what doesn't make sense about it. Phone numbers apply to mobile phones which move between locations. Phone numbers also apply to businesses which do not move between locations nearly as much. Planes, trains and ferries and buses offer things like wifi, alcohol, disabled access and

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Morris
On 23 October 2013 at 09:56:21, Pieren (pier...@gmail.com) wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dress_code > >Lol : "For nude-only spaces, dress:nude=required. " >Why not simply "dress=no" ? ^^ > dress=no might be s

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dress_code Lol : "For nude-only spaces, dress:nude=required. " Why not simply "dress=no" ? ^^ Pieren PS perhaps you should explain that this is related to permanent access conditions, e.g

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/23/2013 09:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress code. Are you sure that this isn't taking things a bit too far for a geographic database? Dresscodes will often apply to events, not locations; events can move between locations. It

[Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Tom Morris
I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress code.  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dress_code  This type of metadata could be exposed through venue-centric applications and give assistance to users of the map. Nothing worse than turning up at a place

Re: [Tagging] Automatic edit - RFC - Musical instrument

2013-10-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'm in favor of this type of mechanical edit. Here the semantics are quite clear. I think opt-out is silly, however, and hopefully nobody will take you up on it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/