Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of
France, so here is a translation for a more international debate...
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a
petanque pitch (leisure=pitch) is:
sport=boules
boules=petanque
(375 nodes, 75 ways
2014-05-15 10:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:
Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of
France, so here is a translation for a more international debate...
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a
petanque pitch
I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn
lanes and other options in very large intersections. The links are connected
exactly where they would logically connect one road to the other for each
direction.
Recently, I have been using Apple's turn by turn
Oops, forgot the link.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776mlon=139.32700#map=19/36.40776/139.32700
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2014, at 6:14 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn
lanes and other options
2014-05-15 2:51 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
And some of these relations (though far from the top of the list) are
not assigned an admin_centre role, even though the node exists.
btw.: The current definition for administrative relations says that
admin_centre should
2014-05-15 11:14 GMT+02:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn
lanes and other options in very large intersections. The links are
connected exactly where they would logically connect one road to the other
for each direction.
2014-05-15 11:07 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com:
Much better to standardise on the chaining approach i.e. boules=*
this was also discussed on talk-it (and I think talk-de) in the past:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-October/038240.html
the wiki advocates for
It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest:
https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47
summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please?
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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
btw.: The current definition for administrative relations says that
admin_centre should be used one or no time in the relation, but what if
there is more than one admin_centre, e.g. entities where the
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote:
type is far too vague - it doesn't namespace at all, so it doesn't
make it definite if it's a type of boules, a type of pitch, etc. The
english wiki says, and I concur, Key:type should be avoided:
2014-05-15 13:09 GMT+02:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Why not. But the definition shall be clear : it's only the
administrative(s) centre(s) place(s) to be linked. The risk if we
don't specify a limit is that contributors will use it to link all
places within the boundary (making a substitute
Much better to standardise on the chaining approach i.e. boules=*
this was also discussed on talk-it (and I think talk-de) in the past:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-October/038240.html
the wiki advocates for boules=* on the tag page:
2014-05-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com:
Current usage is not very intense (80 times), and the top-level approach
sport=bocce for the Italian variant is higher still:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sport%3Dbocc*
Not sure to understand you. (there are
Interesting. So it is in fact a rendered-related issue. Since you've
pointed out exactly where the problem is in the code, wouldn't it be
better to just submit a fix and standardize the mapping practice on
capital=[lowest admin_level of related boundary relations]? AFAIK this
should only affect
(because of current mapnik rules capital=yes should be preferred over
capital=2, as the style sheet only takes account of capital=yes or not yes:
*https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/project.mml
It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the
state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the
same as it's capital city administrative centre.
(example of the label role: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/539668890)
Not necessarily though.
On Thu, 2014-05-15 at 11:00 +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of
France, so here is a translation for a more international debate...
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a
petanque pitch
Am 15.05.2014 um 14:00 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org:
Indeed this is what you can also find reflected in the current usage:
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*sport* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sport
*bowls* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=bowls
boules=bowls - 0
So should we then go
Sorry, I meant the adminstrative centre of the state's capital city
It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the
state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the
same as *the state's *capital city administrative centre.
2014-05-15 9:23
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
Some more strange cases:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary duplicates).
Pieren
On 15/05/2014 14:43, nounours77 wrote:
bowls=bowls | petanque | bocce | whatever
One could argue that locale=c would lead us toward using 'bowls' but on
the other hand even the English-language Wikipedia article for bocce
mentions that it is a ball sport belonging to the boules sport family
On 5/15/14 8:57 AM, Pieren wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
Some more strange cases:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary duplicates).
Am 15.05.2014 11:18, schrieb John Willis: Oops, forgot the link.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776mlon=139.32700#map=19/36.40776/139.32700
And you did hijack another thread.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2014, at 6:14 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
I have mapped some
Am 15.05.2014 15:01, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:
On 15/05/2014 14:43, nounours77 wrote:
bowls=bowls | petanque | bocce | whatever
One could argue that locale=c would lead us toward using 'bowls' but on
the other hand even the English-language Wikipedia article for bocce
mentions that it is a
Am 15.05.2014 14:57, schrieb Pieren:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
Some more strange cases:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary
If you want to map lanes you should use another tag.
Is there a suggestion for a tag that would be appropriate, or is that a thing
lost in proposal purgatory?
I am not representing individual lanes, but choices (aka, the two through lanes
are a single way).
Yeah, turn:lanes=*. JOSM even has presets and rendering options available
to help tag these.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn is pretty much The Way To Go at
this point, it seems.
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:40 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
If you want to map lanes you
On 15/05/2014 13:23, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
- The administrative centre of a region might be licated outside the
region in administers. For example, the city of Częstochowa is the
administrative centre of Częstochowa county, but the city is not part
of the county (the county forms a ring
Umm... Isn't this merely the tagging mailing list? I was unaware that sending
an email to the list was a form of hijacking in any respect. I didn't steal the
subject line... Maybe I'm missing something.
I will recheck the wiki re lanes. I thought I had understood the basic options,
it seems
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
Umm... Isn't this merely the tagging mailing list? I was unaware that
sending an email to the list was a form of hijacking in any respect. I
didn't steal the subject line... Maybe I'm missing something.
You replied to another
Am 15.05.2014 16:46, schrieb John Willis:
Umm... Isn't this merely the tagging mailing list? I was unaware that sending
an email to the list was a form of hijacking in any respect. I didn't steal
the subject line... Maybe I'm missing something.
The problem is that if you do reply on a
2014-05-15 15:12 GMT+02:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary duplicates).
some definitions to keep in mind:
capital - a city serving as a seat of
On 15.05.2014 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote:
It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest:
https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47
summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please?
Write the name of the tag as a level 3 or 4 headline above the box?
2014-05-15 16:40 GMT+02:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
If you want to map lanes you should use another tag.
Is there a suggestion for a tag that would be appropriate, or is that a
thing lost in proposal purgatory?
well, proposals are just that: suggestions. I am not aware of any proposal
2014-05-15 14:43 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com:
Indeed this is what you can also find reflected in the current usage:
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*sport* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sport
*bowls* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=bowls
boules=bowls - 0
So should we then
On 15 May 2014 16:06, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
On 15.05.2014 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote:
It's very disappointing to see this minor feature request:
https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47
summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please?
Write
On 15 May 2014 11:36, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest:
https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47
summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please?
In the interim, I've created a wrapper
Am 15.05.2014 18:14, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:
On 15/05/2014 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
but I wouldn't add boules=bowls to this list because it seems quite
different (e.g. the pitch is grass and not sand or gravel). Instead
sport=bowls is perfectly valid and used twice as much as all
2014-05-15 18:14 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:
I might also do it for sport=boules;type=bocce which would become
sport=boules;boules=bocce.
+1, there is also 1 type=boccia which might be normalized to bocce.
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On 15/05/2014 18:22, fly wrote:
Pretty much everyone has agreed that the type=* is being abused and that
chaining sport=boules;boules=petanque is cleaner so I'm going to correct
the 718 occurrences of sport=boules;type=petanque into
sport=boules;boules=petanque.
This would be
Am 15.05.2014 18:24, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
2014-05-15 18:14 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org
mailto:j...@liotier.org:
I might also do it for sport=boules;type=bocce which would become
sport=boules;boules=bocce.
+1, there is also 1 type=boccia which might
Am 5/15/14 16:30 , schrieb fly:
Regarding the original discussion I am in favour of using
capital=[2-10]* if an additional tag is needed. The semicolon (;) is
defined as value separator so we could have capital=4;6;8 or similar.
This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't
2014-05-15 18:32 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:
The semicolon (;) is
defined as value separator so we could have capital=4;6;8 or similar.
This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't see why
it would be needed.
You are doubling the risk of errors when it
Wait a minute.
As far as I understood, the key capital=* isn't supposed to simply
substitute admin_level.
capital=2 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city
of this country (which has admin_level=2).
capital=4 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city
2014-05-15 18:30 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com:
Wikipedia makes a difference between boccia and bocce, even if it is
just the italian name.
the Italian wikipedia states that Boccia is Bocce for disabled people,
the english WP says it is something very similar. I am no expert in
2014-05-15 18:52 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
Wait a minute.
As far as I understood, the key capital=* isn't supposed to simply
substitute admin_level.
capital=2 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city
of this country (which has admin_level=2).
I'd see it like this:
capital=2 this place is the capital of a country
capital=4 this place is the capital of a region (etc.)
i.e. you can see the administrative importance, but there is no notion
of which entity the place is the capital.
capital=2;4 doesn't make much sense then.
You
On 05/15/2014 06:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2014-05-15 18:30 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com
mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com:
Wikipedia makes a difference between boccia and bocce, even if it is
just the italian name.
the Italian wikipedia states that Boccia is
Am 15.05.2014 18:32, schrieb Andreas Goss:
Am 5/15/14 16:30 , schrieb fly:
Regarding the original discussion I am in favour of using
capital=[2-10]* if an additional tag is needed.
I meant additional to the roles for the boundary relation above (cutted).
admin_centre for 1 or more nodes
Tagging capital=* or admin_level=* on a place is IMHO not to be done
lightly. It is not actually an attribute of the place at all, because if
you moved the place to e.g. the middle of the Atlantic Ocean it would no
longer be a capital. It is an attribute of the relationship between the
place
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
It is not actually an attribute of the place at all, because if you
moved the place to e.g. the middle of the Atlantic Ocean it would no longer
be a capital. It is an attribute of the relationship between the place and
Hi,
oops, silly me, hadn't read the full thread. I see you already found
a way to annoy Jochen even without my help ;)
Bye
Frederik
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On 15 May 2014 20:56, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
summarily closed.
Can you summarily do something to a single thing?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/summarily then definition 2 on
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/summary
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