Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+import)

On 02/08/2016 23:24, Ilya Zverev wrote: In Russia it has been the norm for a long time. Not that we have mapped every sidewalk, but using the sidewalk=* tag is frowned upon. Maybe, but a quick look at some random Russian places suggests that the normal way to map sidewalks there is "not at

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

> 1. aug. 2016 kl. 23:35 skrev Meg Drouhard : > > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions in > OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent the > physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+import)

Frederik Ramm wrote: As written on the imports list, I think that separate mapping of sidewalks will not, and should not, be the norm; In Russia it has been the norm for a long time. Not that we have mapped every sidewalk, but using the sidewalk=* tag is frowned upon. IZ

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/2/2016 5:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: But mapping sidewalks as individual geometries puts considerable burden on the mappers who want to work with the data in an editor. I haven't seen individual geometries to be a burden here where I and another mapper have gravitated from

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Frederik, On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 08/01/2016 11:35 PM, Meg Drouhard wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions > > in OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hi, On 08/02/2016 11:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > * Micha Meier's work in Graz, Austria - Project "Access2Life" > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Species/Access2Life with > detailed tagging schema and even specialized JOSM presets and styles PS Micha showed off a wheelchair routing

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hi, On 08/01/2016 11:35 PM, Meg Drouhard wrote: > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions > in OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent > the physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is particularly > concerned with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 83, Issue 3

There has been some research by German students about pedestrian routing. They (Nathanael Lang & Jakob Miksch) gave both a presentation at FOSSGIS 2016 (http://www.fossgis-konferenz.de/2016/videos/) unfortunately there presentations are in German. I guess you might be able to find some papers by

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 83, Issue 3

On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 11:46 -0700, Meg Drouhard wrote: > > Hi Phil and François, > > Thanks for your feedback.  To my knowledge, there is no universal > agreement that pedestrians consider the sidewalk part of the road.  > As François, the pedestrian routing applications with which I'm >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 83, Issue 3

Hi Phil and François, Thanks for your feedback. To my knowledge, there is no universal agreement that pedestrians consider the sidewalk part of the road. As François, the pedestrian routing applications with which I'm familiar don't actually route pedestrians to cross at any "imaginary" point

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

On 16-08-02 17:01:12, Jo, wrote 10K characters saying: They all introduced a smart card of the same type/technology and they were capable of creating 4 incompatible systems with those cards. Go figure! Somebody who lives near to the capital and to Wallonia would need 4 such cards to be able to

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/2/2016 9:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long as they are in proximity. Practically you can cross anywhere you want where traffic density is not too high. Conceptually, we need a way for mappers to record the level

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

On Tuesday 02 August 2016 16:30:02 Frank Villaro-Dixon wrote: > To me, `operator` is the company that drives the bus (say, "Bus drivers > Ltd") whereas `network` targets the global entity/company/consortium for > the group of lines. > > Generally speaking, a ticket bought on a network could be

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hey Meg, I read through your proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sidewalk_schema I don’t see anything in there that is any different from how sidewalks and crossings are already being tagged in

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 ago 2016, alle ore 15:58, Andy Townsend ha > scritto: > > Your government may restrict where you can cross the road, but around the > world many do not. likely, I was referring to Italy and Germany, and I guess other European countries

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

In Belgium, operators work on a regional level. De Lijn in Flanders, TEC in Wallonia and MIVB/STIB in Brussels. There is some geographical overlap. The Brussels company drives to the airport, which is in Flanders and has expensive tickets to get you there. De Lijn and TEC also serve north and

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Meg Drouhard wrote: > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions in > OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent the > physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 2016-08-02 15:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long > as they are in proximity. That depends very much on the particular jurisdiction. In the UK it is not illegal to cross the road at an arbitrary point, however stupid it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (midwife)

OK, I updated the page, using your comments. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/midwife Le 01/08/2016 à 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2016-08-01 17:03 GMT+02:00 David Picard >: I think your proposal should be more

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 ago 2016, alle ore 14:18, ael ha > scritto: > > So when the pavements are > drawn as separate ways, the obvious solution is to introduce a > "connected" relation of some sort? the relation type=area was invented also for this

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 02/08/2016 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long as they are in proximity. Your government may restrict where you can cross the road, but around the world many do not. Cheers, Andy

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 ago 2016, alle ore 10:03, François Lacombe > ha scritto: > > Even if people can cross the roads wherever they want, routing engines should > only encourage them to do so on protected crossings. legally you can't cross

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-02 13:54 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > In that case they should be mapped as separate ways, but in a > residential areas, for example, links to the road should be mapped to > allow routing. > Agree with that, links to roads should always be mapped for routing. > >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

I haven't been following this thread closely, but surely there is a need for some way to indicate the common situation where one can cross a road (typically to the opposite pavement) anywhere. So when the pavements are drawn as separate ways, the obvious solution is to introduce a "connected"

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 10:03 +0200, François Lacombe wrote: >  > Philp, > Pavement deduction from roads is a pain and often footway=* tags > won't suit the mappers needs according of what seen in situation. > What about a road where pavement are regularly separated with several > square meters of

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:11:37PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > The first problem I see is that mapping sidewalks as a separate way > should not be done unless there is a physical separation. For a > pedestrian the sidewalk is a part of the road.  > > Mapping as separate ways can mess up routing

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/2/2016 6:03 PM, François Lacombe wrote: [Sent from a phone] Hi all, To begin with positive side of things, big thank you Meg to propose a consistent and scalable scheme out of this mess. I completely agree with the current lack of consistency and would like to encourage the search of

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

> > > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 01 ago 2016, alle ore 17:51, Michael Tsang >> ha scritto: >> >> What should I type in for the network=* tag for the bus routes such that >> it is least surprising and least confusing for data users? > > > You have written a lot about

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

[Sent from a phone] Hi all, To begin with positive side of things, big thank you Meg to propose a consistent and scalable scheme out of this mess. I completely agree with the current lack of consistency and would like to encourage the search of better description and network approach What about

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

On Monday 01 August 2016 23:55:56 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 01 ago 2016, alle ore 17:51, Michael Tsang > > ha scritto: > > > > What should I type in for the network=* tag for the bus routes such that > > it is least surprising and least