Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 02.10.2016 18:10, Topographe Fou napisał(a):


To summarize quickly: It says that railway=station should only be a
node (not an shape or a polygon or even an area) and that you should
use landuse=railway and building=* to represent the physical
infrastructure in other objects.

Whatever we think about this page, I agree with you that
railway=station does not imply that it is a building.


I also think that it's just a wiki limitation and area=yes or 
landuse=railway tag should not be needed. Does the adding area and 
relation as possible choices needs some formal steps or it's just an 
edit one could do any time, if nobody here would disagree?


There's also another tagging problem I see: with building=train_station 
we're not sure if this building is still used as a station building, 
used in a different way - like cafe - or just abandoned? For churches we 
have "amenity=place_of_worship", what tag should we use to know a 
station building is active in this role?


BTW: the "node-only problem" is more universal, I've seen some other 
wiki entries neglecting possibility that we could know object 
dimensions. Sooner or later I would refresh them too.


--
"To co ludzie zwą marskością wątroby/ Tak naprawdę jest śmiercią z 
tęsknoty" [Afro Kolektyw]


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Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

[Topographe Fou]

  Hi,I know that some consider the wiki as a not-trustable thing but when I read the dedicated page there is a third POV which makes more sense for me and which may explain why you add an extra area tag.http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3DstationTo summarize quickly: It says that railway=station should only be a node (not an shape or a polygon or even an area) and that you should use landuse=railway and building=* to represent the physical infrastructure in other objects.Whatever we think about this page, I agree with you that railway=station does not imply that it is a building.YoursLeTopographeFou   De: jo...@mac.comEnvoyé: 1 octobre 2016 6:52 PMÀ: tagging@openstreetmap.orgRépondre à: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:  I have a long thread over at The -carto page trying to describe unexpected behavior of the rendering of railway=station on an area when also accompanied with area=yes. I expect that to tell the -carto renderer that I am saying this is the "area" of the station and building=train_station to be the building. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/327#issuecomment-250489455I am used to mapping all building complexes in a certain way (which is standardized for some complex types and not others). - Outline the defined area of the location with Landuse=* , or a similar tag (like an airport or school). This includes the area for amenities that belong to the location (parking lots, lawns, roads, whatever is inside its fence) - Define buildings using the building=* tag - Add amenities as areas, ways, and points on the Landuse. So I expect there to be a similar system to map stations, as the amenities directly operated by the station (bus circles, pedestrian promenades, parking, separated station buildings and platforms, servicing facilities) to be part of the "station". Defining that area is very useful, especially when their shape is visually useful and access via other routes is restricted. So as other tags have different behavior on a pin vs a building vs a non-building, I expected the renderings of railway=station to be different when the area=yes tag is present . Am I incorrect in expecting this behavior?  Javbw. ___
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[Tagging] Setting as access=official as abandoned/deprecated

[Joachim]

I want to set the access=official proposal[1] to abandoned and the
feature page[2] to deprecated. Since this tag is mostly used in
Germany I have documented the case in the german forum[3] and got only
positive feedback so far.

Key points in english:
- compared to designated, official is used much less (foot 3.3%,
bicycle 2.0%, horse 4.1%, psv 15,1%)
- The usage apart from foot=official is not increasing since 2014 [4]
- Regarding the main pages, Wiki currently uses it only on
Tag:access=designated, Key:bicycle_road
- designated is now defined as official was meant to be regarding
"dedicated usage"
- designated is not defined as official regarding access - designated
still allows other traffic
- wanderreitkarte.de uses blue signs for official and grey for designated
- iD does not use official
- JOSM does use it in the Road Signs plugin and some presets as drop-down

Is anybody against this change?

Regards Joachim

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Officially_dedicated_usage
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dofficial
[3] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=55927
[4] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Officially_dedicated_usage#Current_usage_trends

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Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 01 ott 2016, alle ore 18:50, John Willis  ha scritto:
> 
> So as other tags have different behavior on a pin vs a building vs a 
> non-building, I expected the renderings of railway=station to be different 
> when the area=yes tag is present . Am I incorrect in expecting this behavior?


railway=station is the tag I think you should use for the whole train station 
area, similar to a landuse, potentially with several buildings inside. The 
area=yes tag is not needed.

cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 01 ott 2016, alle ore 18:50, John Willis  ha scritto:
> 
> I have a long thread over at The -carto page trying to describe unexpected 
> behavior of the rendering of railway=station on an area when also accompanied 
> with area=yes. 
> 
> I expect that to tell the -carto renderer that I am saying this is the "area" 
> of the station and building=train_station to be the building. 


the area=yes tag has no particular meaning here, because railway =station on a 
way is already about an area (as opposed to a linear feature). Every tag on an 
area is about the area, that's not what the area=yes/no tag is for. This tag is 
to state the geometry data type (linear/polygon) explicitly.


cheers,
Martin 
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