Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/23/2017 10:12 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > (Then again, I don't know of any data consumers that can handle the concept in > any notation, so that's not a good argument. That's why, many years ago, the ability of having the same tag multiple times with different values was removed from the A

Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > There's no obvious solution in the case where multiply-valued keys need to > be kept in correspondence, which appears to be what prompted the current > discussion. It's not obvious that the present data model can handle the > complexity of "de

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2017-01-23 20:12, Marc Gemis wrote: > > OSM is driven by people that implement something, not by people > discussing stuff on a mailing list. > > That model works fine when it comes to editors, tools, utilities, libraries, > and other creati

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-23 Thread John Willis
TL;DR: we need a tag for shops that have pumps that sell only fuels that are not transportation related (car/boat/plane). Like this stand: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/468201418#map=19/36.30322/139.30387

Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/23/2017 12:46 PM, Colin Smale wrote: Can you point to an illustrative example of leadership on the subject of MVAs? The data model used to support having the same key twice with different values. It no longer does. ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 1/23/2017 1:42 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> This subject has been discussed so many times in the past, over several >> years. It seems that OSM is incapable of moving forward. The current data >> model does not accommodate multi-valued attri

Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-01-23 21:15, Paul Norman wrote: > On 1/23/2017 1:42 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> This subject has been discussed so many times in the past, over several >> years. It seems that OSM is incapable of moving forward. The current data >> model does not accommodate multi-valued attributes >

Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/23/2017 1:42 AM, Colin Smale wrote: This subject has been discussed so many times in the past, over several years. It seems that OSM is incapable of moving forward. The current data model does not accommodate multi-valued attributes It used to, then we moved forward to one that doesn't, b

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23 Jan 2017, at 20:37, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > There are so many mappers that map without even knowing that there is a wiki. we have been working hard to better hide the wiki for years ;-) When I started mapping, the wiki was prominently linked as first or second it

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-01-23 20:12, Marc Gemis wrote: > OSM is driven by people that implement something, not by people > discussing stuff on a mailing list. That model works fine when it comes to editors, tools, utilities, libraries, and other creative ways to manipulate and consume the data. It doesn't work w

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 23 jan. 2017, om 19:44 heeft Mark Bradley > het volgende geschreven: > > Count me as one of those that wishes OpenStreetMap were more structured. As > Colin said, choices have to be made, and not everyone will be happy. Empower > some folks to make decisions (after thoughtful deliberat

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread yo paseopor
+1 to all. The preset of traffic signs, the style and the signs for Kendzi3D plug-in works well with subtags. I can do it with semicolons però some signs will not work then. How can I make work the others? Leadership is...doing things. yopaseopor ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Mark Bradley wrote: > Count me as one of those that wishes OpenStreetMap were more structured. As > Colin said, choices have to be made, and not everyone will be happy. Empower > some folks to make decisions (after thoughtful deliberation), and enforce the > d

[Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Mark Bradley
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:42:32 +0100 > From: Colin Smale > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street > > On 2017-01-23 09:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 22 Jan 2017, at 22:18, Colin Smale wrote: > >> > >> Consumers

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 23 jan. 2017, om 10:42 heeft Colin Smale het > volgende geschreven: > > It's a complete waste of time to have yet another debate about the pro's and > con's of semicolons vs suffixes and all the other possibilities, without > having some kind of mechanism in place, and the will, to actua

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-01-23 09:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 22 Jan 2017, at 22:18, Colin Smale wrote: >> >> Consumers who are not ready to handle multiple values in their data models >> can stop reading after the first value > > consumers unaware of multiple values in the same

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22 Jan 2017, at 22:18, Colin Smale wrote: > > Consumers who are not ready to handle multiple values in their data models > can stop reading after the first value consumers unaware of multiple values in the same field will see all those multiple values together as jus