Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

Farmyards is wrong - this is for the support areas rather than the 
actual farm ... while the wiki mentions 'feed bunkers' that is for the 
storage of feed rather than the feeding.


I see it as a farm .. just like cattle being on a pasture is a farm, the 
method of feeding has changed but the use has not.


So
landuse=farmland
produce=cattle (as they are live, thus not the product meat).

Additional tags? farmland=feedlot ? I would stay away from any inclusion 
of 'type' in any tag.



On 07-Feb-17 11:17 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
It's rare (only 9 uses), but the Wiki also shows 
farming_system=feedlot as a possibilty,


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Dave Swarthout 
> wrote:


I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places
farmyards is IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a
certain sense, akin to factories that produce meat. I started out
writing this half jokingly but the longer I think about it the
more logical it seems.

Cheers,
Dave

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Volker Schmidt > wrote:

@Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation


@Tod
crop=feed_lot does not seem right.

Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
landuse=farmyard
AND
farmyard=feedlot OR
farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR farmyard=CAFO

Another aproach could be
landuse=farmland
farm:type=feedlot






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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Kevin Kenny]

It's rare (only 9 uses), but the Wiki also shows farming_system=feedlot as
a possibilty,

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places farmyards is
> IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a certain sense, akin to
> factories that produce meat. I started out writing this half jokingly but
> the longer I think about it the more logical it seems.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
>> @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
>>
>> @Tod
>> crop=feed_lot does not seem right.
>>
>> Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
>> landuse=farmyard
>> AND
>> farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR
>> farmyard=CAFO
>>
>> Another aproach could be
>> landuse=farmland
>> farm:type=feedlot
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Tod Fitch]

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation 
> 
> 
> @Tod
> crop=feed_lot does not seem right. 
> 

I agree. That is simply a place I am familiar with have driven past it numerous 
times.

> Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
> landuse=farmyard
> AND
> farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR 
> farmyard=CAFO
> 
> Another aproach could be
> landuse=farmland
> farm:type=feedlot 
> 

I think I prefer:

landuse=farmyard
farmyard=feedlot

as it seems more consistent. In my mind, the second key of “farm:type=feedlot” 
mixes keys and values oddly. If the primary key were “landuse=farm” then it 
would make more sense to me for a “farm:type” subkey. 

Looks like “landuse=farmyard” is more used than “landuse=farm” and the farmyard 
wiki page [1] says “landuse=farm” is not recommended.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Dave Swarthout]

I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places farmyards is
IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a certain sense, akin to
factories that produce meat. I started out writing this half jokingly but
the longer I think about it the more logical it seems.

Cheers,
Dave

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
>
> @Tod
> crop=feed_lot does not seem right.
>
> Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
> landuse=farmyard
> AND
> farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR
> farmyard=CAFO
>
> Another aproach could be
> landuse=farmland
> farm:type=feedlot
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Volker Schmidt]

@Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation

@Tod
crop=feed_lot does not seem right.

Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
landuse=farmyard
AND
farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR
farmyard=CAFO

Another aproach could be
landuse=farmland
farm:type=feedlot




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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Tod Fitch]

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 2017-02-06 12:32 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt  >:
> Hadn't done my homework:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation 
> 
> Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> looks like a typical landuse=farmyard (non-bio / organic / in other words: 
> industrial livestock farming), or can you explain better what the 
> peculiarities are?
> 

There is one at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/61223725

Not sure I’d have picked crop=feed_lot but it looks like it has been tagged 
that way since 2010 and there has been lots of discussion and refinement of 
tagging since then.



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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-02-06 12:32 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt :

> Hadn't done my homework:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
> Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions?




looks like a typical landuse=farmyard (non-bio / organic / in other words:
industrial livestock farming), or can you explain better what the
peculiarities are?

Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Volker Schmidt]

Hadn't done my homework:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions?

On 6 February 2017 at 12:02, Dave Swarthout  wrote:

> We Americans call them feedlots although there may be other terms. These
> are arguably awful places but the stink is intense, on that we can all
> agree.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
>> In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I
>> don't know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them
>> ready for slaughter.
>> One of these can be seen here:
>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=35.20605738427332=-10
>> 2.17724699607997=15.61359290919399=map=HSW8p_
>> C53KeSiIu9agx-Wg=false=mapbox_satellite
>> If you look up the same location on Streetview you get a better idea what
>> it looks like.
>> It also is a smelly place: odour=very_intensive_cattle_stink (joking)
>>
>> I would like to put this correctly on the map, but don't have a clue how.
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Dave Swarthout]

We Americans call them feedlots although there may be other terms. These
are arguably awful places but the stink is intense, on that we can all
agree.



On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I don't
> know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them ready
> for slaughter.
> One of these can be seen here:
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=35.20605738427332=-
> 102.17724699607997=15.61359290919399=map=
> HSW8p_C53KeSiIu9agx-Wg=false=mapbox_satellite
> If you look up the same location on Streetview you get a better idea what
> it looks like.
> It also is a smelly place: odour=very_intensive_cattle_stink (joking)
>
> I would like to put this correctly on the map, but don't have a clue how.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Volker Schmidt]

In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I don't
know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them ready
for slaughter.
One of these can be seen here:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=35.20605738427332=-102.17724699607997=15.61359290919399=map=HSW8p_C53KeSiIu9agx-Wg=false=mapbox_satellite
If you look up the same location on Streetview you get a better idea what
it looks like.
It also is a smelly place: odour=very_intensive_cattle_stink (joking)

I would like to put this correctly on the map, but don't have a clue how.

>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - dog toilets

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 6 Feb 2017, at 09:13, joost schouppe  wrote:
> 
> (and some of them tried mailing this list without being a member, but there 
> seems to be no admin around to allow their contribution)


I believe it makes sense to require people to sign up in order to post, because 
a ML is about discussing / a dialogue, and without being subscribed it remains 
dubious whether you'll get the replies.

cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - dog toilets

[joost schouppe]

I got some more comments off-list (and some of them tried mailing this list
without being a member, but there seems to be no admin around to allow
their contribution).

Is it possible to have a vote on number 1 (amenity=dog_toilet) -versus-
number 4 (amenity=pet_toilet)? Most people I contacted off list seemed to
be thinking that kind of choice is what we'd be voting on, not first
choosing the best way of tagging, then voting on whether or not it's a good
idea to use the tag at all.
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