Re: [Tagging] Grape & vineyard. Was: Key crop values containing tree or field

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everybody!

First time that I've ever heard "vineyard" refer to anything other than
wine making, so, as they say, you learn something every day!

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

[John Willis]

> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> civic

It also matches building=civic and the (unapproved) landuse=civic_admin

Javbw

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Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

[John Willis]

> On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The word civic ... conveys what

Something for the public good; a civil service. 

Javbw. 


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Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

[Warin]

On 09-Jul-17 08:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


On 9. Jul 2017, at 01:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

In Australia Post offices can do passports .. so rather than using civic I 
would use service...

service:passport=yes
service:pension=yes


I don't think these tags are very clear, service:passport could become 
service:passport_issuing (why would we need the service prefix?)
don't know about service:pension. Is it calculating the pension? The retirement process 
(declaring you don't work any more and they process your retirement?). Paying you the 
"cash" for the next month? Or even a kind of hospitality service?



And

civic:passport=yes

civic:pension=yes

... mean? The word civic ... conveys what? Whereas service means that something 
is being done (one hopes).
While a great deal of nothing may be done in some places so 'civic' might be a 
great tag there... I'd hope that in some place at least some service is being 
done. :)

I agree that service or civic or whatever may not be absolutely needed it is a 
way of grouping them together.
So if they were to be in some 'service' (or some such) group similar to 
'height', 'width' etc. are in the 'properties' group then that would be fine 
with me.
However it will be like the shop key - many values will be used .. some 
guidance will be needed through examples.
As many examples as possible is best, and then monitoring use and documenting 
the best uses and suggesting 'less correct' use be changed to a better value.

I would not restrict the use of this 'service' key to offices .. there will be 
places in the world where a 'service' is offered in a fuel station for example.

Getting a bit away from the original subject of the office key here. Sorry 
about that.
 



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Re: [Tagging] Grape & vineyard. Was: Key crop values containing tree or field

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I would also not see a vineyard reduced to just growing grapes for wine, it is 
the generic word for a plantation of grapes, of which you might then make wine, 
cognac, vinegar, table grapes, raisins, juice etc.

Cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 9. Jul 2017, at 01:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In Australia Post offices can do passports .. so rather than using civic I 
> would use service...
> 
> service:passport=yes
> service:pension=yes


I don't think these tags are very clear, service:passport could become 
service:passport_issuing (why would we need the service prefix?)
don't know about service:pension. Is it calculating the pension? The retirement 
process (declaring you don't work any more and they process your retirement?). 
Paying you the "cash" for the next month? Or even a kind of hospitality service?

Cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] Grape & vineyard. Was: Key crop values containing tree or field

[Warin]

The common use is for wine grapes.

However the Oxford English dictionary says "typically for the production 
of wine" so it does not exclude table grape production from 'vineyards'.

The OSMwiki is presently not helpful .. not mentioning table grapes at all.

On 09-Jul-17 04:07 PM, althio wrote:


Graeme,

I am not sure about what bothers you precisely here, is it only the 
term 'vineyard'?

According to Wikipedia I find it well suited.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vineyard
> A vineyard /ˈvɪnjərd/ is a plantation of grape-bearing vines, grown 
mainly for winemaking, but also raisins, table grapes and 
non-alcoholic grape juice.


-- althio


On Jul 9, 2017 4:32 AM, "Graeme Fitzpatrick" > wrote:


I'd agree with you there Warin, the crop is what is being
harvested, not the trees themselves.

Another one I noticed on that page is

*crop*=grape    
Vineyards, probably better to use landuse
=vineyard
 instead.


The person who made that entry possible isn't aware that grapes
can also be grown to eat, not just for making wine?

Thanks

Graeme

One statement is "prefer trees
=coffee_plants

"
.. that really goes against what the crop actually is. If
anything the crop is coffee_beans!



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