Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Warin]

On 03-Sep-17 03:19 AM, Thilo Haug wrote:

Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :

shoes:sales=yes


No, not 'sales'

SELLS.

'Sales' are short term events where prices are (probably) lowered - 
usually at the end of season.

 Do not use 'sales' as a tag.

'Sells' says something is available for purchase.

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Thilo Haug]

Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :

shop=clothes
clothes:type=fashion/boutique/work/sport
clothes:for=woman/men/children
clothes:repair=yes
clothes:rental=no
shoes:sales=yes

the "for" key is used here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility#Whom_is_served_by_the_facility
sales, rental, repair is used here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle


Am 02.09.2017 um 10:58 schrieb Rafael Avila Coya:
> +1
>
> And, IMHO, it would be smarter to drop shop=fashion and shop=boutique
> and incorporate it to the clothes=* tag, that has already
> clothes=children, clothes=women, etc. So if you have a shop that is
> "fashion" and women only, you could tag it as
>
> shop=clothes
> clothes=women;fashion
>
> As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm
> than good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in
> francophone Africa and you will see the mess...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 01/09/17 19:13, Severin Menard wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200
>> From: Jean-Marc Liotier >
>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>>  > >
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique
>> Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> I still don't understand the need for anything other than
>> shop=clothes
>> used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see
>> why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as
>> they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an
>> attitude.
>>
>> shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the
>> workshop
>> that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden
>> urinal
>> that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ?
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

[José G Moya Y .]

Phil said:

>> Supermarkets for example will have a fresh meat >> counter, fresh fish
counter which is important stuff >>when you are camping.

Oh, really? Then I have to retag everyting.

Here in Spain we call "supermarket" a medium-sized self-service store,
while we call "convenience store" a 24/7 (or at least 14/7) small to medium
store where you can buy 25%-150% overprized last-resource goods. In
Spanish, both terms are translations from English, and "convenience store"
is a legal category.

A countryside Spanish "supermarket" will have a fresh grocery counter but meat
will be freezed, while a Spanish "convenience store" will have no grocery
or meat at all. (If you are camping in countryside Spain, you have to wait
for the weekly fish truck if you want fish).

(I think this example will be useful for the cultural difference between
boutique and fashion).

Phil (trigpoint)

El 2/9/2017 0:56, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió:

> On 02-Sep-17 04:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>> Is ignoring what the community did so far, a guideline ? People have
>> used the tag boutique. So why cannot we take this practice and use
>> that as the guideline ? Why change the currently used tags, causing a
>> cost of all involved parties ?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a serious question. I want to understand why people think the
>> about differences are ok, but clothes and boutique not.
>>
>
> I lack the understanding of what is meant by 'boutique' and 'fashion'.
>
> I think the terms could be used for a very wide variety of features.
>
> The tag shop=cloths I understand and don't see any confusion over it.
>
> If 'fashion' simply means cloths with some added parameters then I would
> think it should be a sub tag. The same for 'boutique'.
>
> If they mean something different from cloths .. then what are they? And I
> don't want terms like - more expensive, finer materials, better design -
> these are either subjective and/or sub tags.
>
> Fuel stations that do not sell diesel are not given a separate main tag -
> they get a sub tag.
> And yes some things in OSM have been given main tags where, with more
> organisation, they could have been better with sub tags. 'Path' and
> footpath spring to mind.
>
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Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

[Rafael Avila Coya]

No. It means boutique could be moved to:

shop=clothes
clothes=boutique

In fact, the key clothes=* has clothes=fashion already, so we can add 
clothes=boutique too. 

Cheers, 

Rafael. 

El 2 de septiembre de 2017 12:10:19 CEST, Marc Gemis  
escribió:
>Please read e.g.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes_shop
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutique
>
>Does your reply mean we can remove the word boutique from the English
>dictionary ?
>
>On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 02-Sep-17 04:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>>
>>> Is ignoring what the community did so far, a guideline ? People have
>>> used the tag boutique. So why cannot we take this practice and use
>>> that as the guideline ? Why change the currently used tags, causing
>a
>>> cost of all involved parties ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a serious question. I want to understand why people think
>the
>>> about differences are ok, but clothes and boutique not.
>>
>>
>> I lack the understanding of what is meant by 'boutique' and
>'fashion'.
>>
>> I think the terms could be used for a very wide variety of features.
>>
>> The tag shop=cloths I understand and don't see any confusion over it.
>>
>> If 'fashion' simply means cloths with some added parameters then I
>would
>> think it should be a sub tag. The same for 'boutique'.
>>
>> If they mean something different from cloths .. then what are they?
>And I
>> don't want terms like - more expensive, finer materials, better
>design -
>> these are either subjective and/or sub tags.
>>
>> Fuel stations that do not sell diesel are not given a separate main
>tag -
>> they get a sub tag.
>> And yes some things in OSM have been given main tags where, with more
>> organisation, they could have been better with sub tags. 'Path' and
>footpath
>> spring to mind.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

[Marc Gemis]

So if price and quality are no criteria for different tag, why do we have
deli and convenience store? Or is that difference bigger?

Or fast food and restaurant? The difference is only quality, price and
perhaps service. But even that is not always the case.

If we drop boutique as a tag for clothes shops, how does that solve the
tagging in West Africa? Or should we tell the mappers there to change their
tagging anyway?

Op 2 sep. 2017 00:56 schreef "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> On 02-Sep-17 04:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>> Is ignoring what the community did so far, a guideline ? People have
>> used the tag boutique. So why cannot we take this practice and use
>> that as the guideline ? Why change the currently used tags, causing a
>> cost of all involved parties ?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a serious question. I want to understand why people think the
>> about differences are ok, but clothes and boutique not.
>>
>
> I lack the understanding of what is meant by 'boutique' and 'fashion'.
>
> I think the terms could be used for a very wide variety of features.
>
> The tag shop=cloths I understand and don't see any confusion over it.
>
> If 'fashion' simply means cloths with some added parameters then I would
> think it should be a sub tag. The same for 'boutique'.
>
> If they mean something different from cloths .. then what are they? And I
> don't want terms like - more expensive, finer materials, better design -
> these are either subjective and/or sub tags.
>
> Fuel stations that do not sell diesel are not given a separate main tag -
> they get a sub tag.
> And yes some things in OSM have been given main tags where, with more
> organisation, they could have been better with sub tags. 'Path' and
> footpath spring to mind.
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

[Marc Gemis]

Please read e.g.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes_shop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutique

Does your reply mean we can remove the word boutique from the English
dictionary ?

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02-Sep-17 04:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> Is ignoring what the community did so far, a guideline ? People have
>> used the tag boutique. So why cannot we take this practice and use
>> that as the guideline ? Why change the currently used tags, causing a
>> cost of all involved parties ?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a serious question. I want to understand why people think the
>> about differences are ok, but clothes and boutique not.
>
>
> I lack the understanding of what is meant by 'boutique' and 'fashion'.
>
> I think the terms could be used for a very wide variety of features.
>
> The tag shop=cloths I understand and don't see any confusion over it.
>
> If 'fashion' simply means cloths with some added parameters then I would
> think it should be a sub tag. The same for 'boutique'.
>
> If they mean something different from cloths .. then what are they? And I
> don't want terms like - more expensive, finer materials, better design -
> these are either subjective and/or sub tags.
>
> Fuel stations that do not sell diesel are not given a separate main tag -
> they get a sub tag.
> And yes some things in OSM have been given main tags where, with more
> organisation, they could have been better with sub tags. 'Path' and footpath
> spring to mind.
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Rafael Avila Coya]

+1

And, IMHO, it would be smarter to drop shop=fashion and shop=boutique 
and incorporate it to the clothes=* tag, that has already 
clothes=children, clothes=women, etc. So if you have a shop that is 
"fashion" and women only, you could tag it as


shop=clothes
clothes=women;fashion

As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm than 
good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in 
francophone Africa and you will see the mess...


Cheers,

Rafael.

On 01/09/17 19:13, Severin Menard wrote:


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200
From: Jean-Marc Liotier >
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
 >
Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique
Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I still don't understand the need for anything other than shop=clothes
used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see
why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as
they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an attitude.

shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the workshop
that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden urinal
that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ?


+1



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