Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

I tagged one of these office=visa the other day. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4374770543 The offices I'm thinking of are private companies that have government contracts to provide services that the government itself would normally provide. In many cases they are indistinguishable from a go

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Yves, " mapping a way is simpler than a relation for most." I totally understand that. In fact, in the first of those references, the opening statement is " Usually the pipeline is mapped just with simple ways".I think that's a valid approach for short pipelines but this thing is huge. Whoever crea

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Dave, Not that what you say doesn't make sense, cause it does. However I just think that the wiki is not the bible (it's a wiki), secondly OSM is not that square as it is made to be edited by hand. Keep it simple here just means that mapping a way is simpler than a relation for most. Yves __

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

Is the office full of people who you pay to help you apply? Or are they contracted to be the front-otfice of the agency (acceptance & distribution)? It seems to be the latter. Think of taxes. The office where you submit taxes, and an office where a professional helps you prepare the forms

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government > authority/branch/department/etc > 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa > 3) it is not at an airport/seaport

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

To my way of thinking, a tag in the relation implicitly applies to every member of the relation. It's not "visible" to us mappers but it's there nonetheless. It's my belief that tagging every way with the identical tags present on the relation is to ensure that the object will render. If our softwa

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

On 08/11/18 11:05, John Willis wrote: On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government authority/branch/department/etc 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/b

Re: [Tagging] Government Archives

On 08/11/18 02:20, Allan Mustard wrote: An archive is a special government office. Not a library and not a museum. OSM says an office is a place that provides a 'service' - administrative or professional work is carried out - e.g. an architect, lawyer, accountant. An archive is a place that s

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 10:36, Paul Allen wrote: > > I think that, unless there are serious flaws with GTFS, we should figure > out a way to tag it. Another > problem I thought of is whether it should go on individual stops or route > relations. Simplicity and > data integrity says on route relat

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:07 AM OSMDoudou < 19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > Even if you can make it fit, it's not necessarily a good idea to do it. > > I'm thinking of the Hoover Dustette. > > Excuse my ignorance. You’re thinking to what ? > The Hoover Dustette was a cyli

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

> Even if you can make it fit, it's not necessarily a good idea to do it. > I'm thinking of the Hoover Dustette. Excuse my ignorance. You’re thinking to what ? > I'm not sure that a wiki would be the optimal architecture for this if we > ended up with many GTFS feeds that were interrogated frequ

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government > authority/branch/department/etc > 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa > 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder > 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences. >

Re: [Tagging] Government Archives

On 08/11/18 09:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 05:53, marc marc > wrote: amenity=public_building is depreciated it is better to take a more precise tag, especially due that not all government archives aren't open to the public

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:31 PM OSMDoudou < 19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: Just a quick web search, but it appears there exist GTFS editors and there > is an entire ecosystem around creating and hosting GFTS files. > One thought just occurred to me. It looks like whatever t

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM OSMDoudou < 19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > We should think one step further than the tagging and figure a solution > for maintaining and hosting GTFS files in case the PT organization doesn’t > publish one. If we can resolve the issue of ho

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

(Re-posting because I accidentally dropped talk-transit) On Nov 8, 2018, at 00:30, OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: Just a quick web search, but it appears there exist GTFS editors and there is an entire ecosystem around creating and hosting GFTS files. Here is on

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

(Re-posting because I accidentally dropped talk-transit) On Nov 8, 2018, at 00:18, OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > And it's re-inventing the wheel. GTFS already exists. > Could we do better? Maybe, maybe not. Indeed. If someone determines GTFS needed improvem

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Just a quick web search, but it appears there exist GTFS editors and there is an entire ecosystem around creating and hosting GFTS files. Here is one editor, for example: https://conveyal-data-tools.readthedocs.io/en/latest.___ Tagging mailing list Tagg

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

> And it's re-inventing the wheel. GTFS already exists. > Could we do better? Maybe, maybe not. Indeed. If someone determines GTFS needed improvement, it’s best to work in that community to improve it instead of inventing another standard. This xkcd comic is particularly well suited for this s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:51 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than the middle of > the tracks is arguably worse, particularly for use cases that depend on > this (creating a train simulator, or

Re: [Tagging] Government Archives

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 05:53, marc marc wrote: > > amenity=public_building is depreciated > it is better to take a more precise tag, especially due > that not all government archives aren't open to the public. > & even if the public are allowed access, it will only be to the Reading Room / Inform

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than the middle of the > tracks is arguably worse, particularly for use cases that depend on this > (creating a train simulator, or pedestrian navigation, for example). As far as pedestrian

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:07 PM Yves wrote: > Agreed with Martin here, I would be amazed that the name of a pipeline > would contradict the name of one of its section being something else than a > pipeline. > >> I'm not super familiar with them compared to railroads, but similar naming convention

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Agreed with Martin here, I would be amazed that the name of a pipeline would contradict the name of one of its section being something else than a pipeline. Dave, you missed a very important rule: Keep it simple. On roads (routes for cars), a pretty common thing) ref=xxx can be found on ways in s

Re: [Tagging] Government Archives

Le 07. 11. 18 à 04:50, Warin a écrit : >  building=government with amenity=public_building imhoo this one is the worst ! building value is what the building look like. what a government building look like ? no idea... some are retail building, some archives are in a industrial-look building, ...

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:08 PM Jo wrote: > (started writing this several hours ago) > > And another that goes into full detail, listing all the departures at the > first stop and then lists all stops, with the most common times between > stops as roles. For this we would need separate public_tran

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

On Nov 7, 2018 11:22 PM, "Allan Mustard" wrote: I like constituency_office. +1 FWIW, Wikidata has settled on the term "constituency" for this political concept (aka parliamentary seat, electoral district, legislative district, etc.): https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192611 __

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

(started writing this several hours ago) The way this proposal is evolving, there will be 2 versions. One that gives an approximate idea of how much time there is between 2 buses for a given time of day/day of week. Those can be added as tags on the route relations. That one should not be dismis

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Am Mi., 7. Nov. 2018 um 16:40 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > 7. Nov 2018 08:27 by daveswarth...@gmail.com: > In the case of the pipeline, tags like man_made=pipeline, substance=oil, > operator, Wikipedia and Wikidata tags, belong in the relation. > > > For the record:

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Am Mi., 7. Nov. 2018 um 14:58 Uhr schrieb Kevin Kenny < kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com>: > A multipolygon is nothing more > nor less than an area feature with any topology more complex than a > simple closed way. +1, plus in some cases even a simple closed way as only member of a multipolygon relatio

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

7. Nov 2018 08:27 by daveswarth...@gmail.com : > I provided two examples from the Wiki and a part of a response earlier in > this thread from Kevin Kenny to support my argument that state that > individual ways in a multipolygon I have no idea why advice fr

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Mapping, for example, buildings is feasible as it is possible to map the faster that they change. Doing that for timetables is not going to work. In addition, OSM data format is optimized for mapping buildings and horrible for mapping timetables. I hope that in my mapping I will not encounter p

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Then, why OSM as they are some competent national geographic societies ? ;-) Julien « djakk » Le mer. 7 nov. 2018 à 16:19, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > 7. Nov 2018 16:15 by djakk.dj...@gmail.com: > > Only a independent and crowdsourced database can handle that. > > > Competent public transport

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Hi, On 07.11.2018 14:35, Jonathon Rossi wrote: > I've been following along the few threads to better understand this > topic, however I'm still feeling that mapping complex timetables is a > bit like mapping the full menu of a cafe or restaurant, or the room > options at a hotel. These things vary

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

I like constituency_office. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2018, at 4:44 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think I have firmed up on > > office=government > > with either > > government=constituency_office > or > government=politicians_office > > I'll start a proposal page

Re: [Tagging] Government Archives

An archive is a special government office. Not a library and not a museum. I’ve used the National Archives in Washington, D.C., and in College Park, Maryland. Government=archive is most accurate. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just l

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

7. Nov 2018 16:15 by djakk.dj...@gmail.com : > Only a independent and crowdsourced database can handle that. Competent public transport company also can do it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https:

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

I do not agree with your last argument, it is like « do not add residential roads before primary roads are all mapped » ;-) GTFS can have errors (I’ve worked with Paris’ GTFS, bus stops names in caps locks, sometimes misplaced), plus, as I said, does not reflect the reality (there was this train

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:15 PM OSMDoudou < 19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > including the GTFS endpoints and license info as tags, and maybe then > adding the ability to discover the GTFS Realtime extension would be the way > to go > > +1 > Although I've never used AOL, I

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

> including the GTFS endpoints and license info as tags, and maybe then adding the ability to discover the GTFS Realtime extension would be the way to go +1 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

That is something that OSM should map instead of the official timetable :) In Paris it is almost the same case, the bus does not follow their official timetable due to grid locks. Julien « djakk » Le mer. 7 nov. 2018 à 00:16, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 6. N

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

On 11/7/18 2:27 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: I provided two examples from the Wiki and a part of a response earlier in this thread from Kevin Kenny to support my argument that state that individual ways in a multipolygon or relation should not be tagged unless their characteristics require it.  If

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

For example in Japan transit companies sells their timetable for about 1000€ ... maybe copying the timetable is forbidden but Osm can have at least an opening hour and a frequency for a line in Japan. An other example, the city of Accra (Ghana) : only share taxis, no transit authority, lines are al

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

I've been following along the few threads to better understand this topic, however I'm still feeling that mapping complex timetables is a bit like mapping the full menu of a cafe or restaurant, or the room options at a hotel. These things vary whenever the service business chooses and it is close t

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Thanks, I added it to my styles and promise to try it soon. Dave On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 4:12 PM Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Dave, > reg. a rule for mkgmap: A simple approach would be to add a rule in the > relation style so that the tag man_made=pipeline is added t

[Tagging] Members of route=pipeline relations

Hi all, (Sorry if this was discussed before) I open this thread because I recently learned that we have route=pipeline relations. The wiki (1) seems to say that one can expect that the members of such a relation are pipelines. On the other hand, I find relations with members that are fences aroun

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Dave, reg. a rule for mkgmap: A simple approach would be to add a rule in the relation style so that the tag man_made=pipeline is added to all way members of the relation which don't already have a man_made tag: #pipelines type=route & route=pipeline { apply way { add man_made=pipeline