Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 11/03/19 14:39, Sergio Manzi wrote: On 2019-03-11 04:05, Warin wrote: On 11/03/19 10:29, Sergio Manzi wrote: In Italy there are five main, state-wide, police corps: * /Polizia di Stato/: a civil organization with civil jurisdiction (/with several different branches dealing with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 2019-03-11 03:44, Warin wrote: > On 11/03/19 10:39, Sergio Manzi wrote: >> On 2019-03-11 00:33, Sergio Manzi wrote: >>> On 2019-03-11 00:30, Jan S wrote: How about police=detention as a more generic term then? >>> Nice! >>> >>> Sergio >> >> And this makes me think that maybe we could find

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 2019-03-11 04:05, Warin wrote: > On 11/03/19 10:29, Sergio Manzi wrote: >> >> In Italy there are five main, state-wide, police corps: >> >> * /Polizia di Stato/: a civil organization with civil jurisdiction (/with >> several different branches dealing with specific activities/). >> *

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 11/03/19 10:29, Sergio Manzi wrote: In Italy there are five main, state-wide, police corps: * /Polizia di Stato/: a civil organization with civil jurisdiction (/with several different branches dealing with specific activities/). * /Carabinieri/: a military branch with military

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 11/03/19 10:39, Sergio Manzi wrote: On 2019-03-11 00:33, Sergio Manzi wrote: On 2019-03-11 00:30, Jan S wrote: How about police=detention as a more generic term then? Nice! Sergio And this makes me think that maybe we could find something better for our ~10.000 "amenity=prison" (/go

[Tagging] Large areas of landuse=grass in the Netherlands

It was recently noticed that most of the grassy rural areas around Utrecht in the Netherlands are tagged as landuse=grass. This is surprising, because these areas appear to be pasture or meadows, which would be tagged as landuse=meadow, or perhaps fallow farmland with a grass cover crop, which

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

> “in China some police divisions even managed to setup their own for-profit companies, like hospitals or construction companies, that would serve general public and compete in business environment in order to create additional revenue stream for their police division. I don't think it would be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Is it actually a good idea to put everything under police=*? Like prison/detainment facilities, yes in China police have some sort of detainment facilities that can detain people for a given number of days, as an alternative to go through juridical trial and get into actual correction facilities,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 09:32, Jan S wrote: > > How about police=detention as a more generic term then? > Yep, that covers it nicely! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 23:32, Jan S wrote: How about police=detention as a more generic term then? > Works for me. Having done some more digging, it seems the constant euphemization of English means that, these days, the cells are called a custody suite in the UK.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 2019-03-11 00:33, Sergio Manzi wrote: > On 2019-03-11 00:30, Jan S wrote: >> How about police=detention as a more generic term then? > Nice! > > Sergio And this makes me think that maybe we could find something better for our ~10.000 "amenity=prison" (/go tell them inside that their hopefully

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 2019-03-11 00:30, Jan S wrote: > How about police=detention as a more generic term then? Nice! Sergio smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] discouraging shop=fashion

Am 10. März 2019 22:28:13 MEZ schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick : >I agree, so what is the procedure for deprecating a tag? The normal proposal procedure, only that you don't propose a new tag but the abolition and replacement of an existing one? ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Am 10. März 2019 20:31:33 MEZ schrieb Paul Allen : >On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 18:45, Sergio Manzi wrote: > >no problem maintaing the currently defined terminology "prison" and >> "operator", for me: as I said it was a bit of hair splitting and as I >hit >> the send button I also asked myself if

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 2019-03-11 00:02, Warin wrote: > On 11/03/19 09:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:13, Paul Allen wrote: >>> >>> Which of all those get mapped as police and which get mapped as military >>> will need to be >>> figured out at some point. >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Am 11. März 2019 00:00:55 MEZ schrieb Paul Allen : >On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 22:53, Martin Koppenhoefer > >wrote: > >> >> > On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:13, Paul Allen wrote: >> > >> > Which of all those get mapped as police and which get mapped as >military >> will need to be >> > figured out at some

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On 11/03/19 10:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 08:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Pretty sure someone was working on a proposal for exactly that last year, & it made a lot of sense Here you go:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 11/03/19 09:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:13, Paul Allen wrote: Which of all those get mapped as police and which get mapped as military will need to be figured out at some point. IMHO we should be able to map it as both (as military and as

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Line attachments

BTW, what I incorrectly (/I knew it was wrong!/) named a "branch" of the tower is correctly named a "crossarm". See: http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform=466-08-12 Cheers! Sergio On 2019-03-10 23:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > François, > > Thank-you for addressing the

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 08:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Pretty sure someone was working on a proposal for exactly that last year, > & it made a lot of sense > Here you go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Education_Reform_Alternative May have stalled though? Thanks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 22:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:13, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Which of all those get mapped as police and which get mapped as military > will need to be > > figured out at some point. > > > IMHO we should be able to map it as both (as

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 06:33:46PM -0400, Jmapb wrote: > On 3/10/2019 6:16 PM, Warin wrote: > > > > > amenity=prep_school .. umm amenity ... not something I like to use. > > And prep_school tends to indicate preparation before going to school > > rather than extra work on top of school. > > > I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

sent from a phone > On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:13, Paul Allen wrote: > > Which of all those get mapped as police and which get mapped as military will > need to be > figured out at some point. IMHO we should be able to map it as both (as military and as police) where it is applicable. Ciao,

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On 3/10/2019 6:16 PM, Warin wrote: To me an office is more of an administration type thing. I don't think it should be used for an educational function. An office=educational_institution would be for record keeping, admissions, teacher preparation offices - that kind of thing. shop=* to me

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 08:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think it would be good to have a tag eduction=tutoring. > That could then have sub tags for max:age/min:age etc. > > That then leads into thinking on using an education key for > schools/colleges/kindergartens etc... which

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On 11/03/19 01:40, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 05:17, Phake Nick wrote: 在 2019年3月10日週日 11:04，Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 寫道： There are a fair number of commercial tutor/coaching establishments that provide after school hours tuition in various subjects/courses. I have

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Line attachments

François, Thank-you for addressing the mistakes I outlined (/some still needs some polishing I gues/s), but anyway (/and putting aside my reluctance to map such things/) I'm afraid there is still something profoundly wrong with this proposal, at its very essence. I still don't understand what

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

On 11/03/19 00:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 9. Mar 2019, at 17:18, Paul Allen > wrote: You're nit-picking about minor problems that might be faced by autonomous vehicles parking slightly in the road and giving the major problem that many

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

On 11/03/19 02:46, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Mar 10, 2019, 3:22 PM by pla16...@gmail.com: You seem to miss the point I was making.  How many people, apart from yourself, will ever have any interest in computing the exact area (or even the approximate area) of a parking areas?

Re: [Tagging] discouraging shop=fashion

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 18:36, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 3/10/19 9:11 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Mar 9, 2019, 11:16 PM by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: > > I'm in favour of deprecating shop=fashion because of its unclear > meaning > > Based on discussion(s) it seems that there is no

Re: [Tagging] defining service on railway=tram

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 at 22:39, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > Last month I wrote about defining service=* tag values for > railway=tram ways, which were previously not defined and used somewhat > varyingly in the wild. Thanks Mateusz for your help refining the > definitions! > > I have now written >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 18:45, Sergio Manzi wrote: no problem maintaing the currently defined terminology "prison" and > "operator", for me: as I said it was a bit of hair splitting and as I hit > the send button I also asked myself if maybe "jail" was an americanism (*I'm > Italian, I spent some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Hi Andy and Jan, no problem maintaing the currently defined terminology "prison" and "operator", for me: as I said it was a bit of hair splitting and as I hit the send button I also asked myself if maybe "jail" was an americanism (/I'm Italian, I spent some time in the US but very little time

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On 10/03/2019 16:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: 2) More than "prison" I think "jail" would be more adequate: AFAIK police forces do not "own" prisons (long term incarceration) but only jails (short term incarceration). It is true that in some countries a dedicated police force is in charge of

Re: [Tagging] shop=clothes vs shop=fashion

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 18:11, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > But ultimately, I believe that shop=clothe+clothes=luxury would take > that special case back into the fold of a logical tagging scheme... The > fewer special cases the better ! This seems like an even better solution. (Though, we still

Re: [Tagging] shop=clothes vs shop=fashion

On 3/10/19 1:30 PM, Markus wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 10:35, severin.menard via Tagging wrote: shop=boutique is also one of the most confusing tags for French speaking people, especially in Africa as boutique is used there for another type of shops (the most common one: small shops

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

>1) You're using "operator=*" to identify the particular police force to >which a feature is related. That's in line with what we do in several >other situations, but as we are talking about police, wouldn't be >"corps=*" more correct? > >2) More than "prison" I think "jail" would be more

Re: [Tagging] shop=clothes vs shop=fashion

On 3/10/19 10:33 AM, severin.menard via Tagging wrote: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 23:16:58 +0100 From: Markus selfishseaho...@gmail.com I'm in favour of deprecating shop=fashion because of its unclear meaning, but i prefer to keep shop=boutique for (and only for) small shops selling high-priced

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Line attachments

Thank you for the time took to provide your conclusions here Le sam. 9 mars 2019 à 19:22, Sergio Manzi a écrit : > *A) **Scope of the proposal.* > > It is badly defined. The "Definition" is given as "*Consistently defining > how a power, telecom or even washing line is attached to supporting

[Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – shop=fashion_accessories

Hi all, I've created a proposal page for fashion accessory shops (shop=fashion_accessories) as there is currently no official tag for this kind of shops: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fashion_accessory_shop Best regards Markus

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

One more, sorry: instead of "car_repair", why not "vehicles_maintenance"? Have a look here (/out of curiosity.../): https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/g15895645/nypd-fleet-mechanics/ Cheers, Sergio On 2019-03-10 17:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: > Jan, after a quick look at your proposal I have

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

sent from a phone > On 10. Mar 2019, at 15:22, Paul Allen wrote: > > Your example > was unrepresentative of most parking bays in that it was large enough to have > an aisle so > an autonomous vehicle would realize it is accessible; That’s how parking between 2 carriageways works here

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Jan, after a quick look at your proposal I have a couple of minor comments: 1) You're using "operator=*" to identify the particular police force to which a feature is related. That's in line with what we do in several other situations, but as we are talking about police, wouldn't be "corps=*"

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

Mar 10, 2019, 3:22 PM by pla16...@gmail.com: > You seem to miss the point I was making.  How many people, apart from > yourself, will ever > have any interest in computing the exact area (or even the approximate area) > of a parking > areas? > On my TODO list of map-related ideas is running

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Am So., 10. März 2019 um 14:15 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > > Under "Rendering" you say "Typical police stations, i.e. places where one > can get in contact > with the police usually 24/7, should be rendered different from other > police facilites" > > In my part of the UK (still running austerity

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 05:17, Phake Nick wrote: > 在 2019年3月10日週日 11:04，Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 寫道： >> There are a fair number of commercial tutor/coaching establishments that >> provide after school hours tuition in various subjects/courses. > > I have checked some of these features in

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 13:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:24, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > But maybe I'm wrong > > and there are vast hordes of people interested in precise areas of > parking spaces and almost > > nobody actually wants to park there. > > people can even

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

sent from a phone > On 10. Mar 2019, at 14:24, Paul Allen wrote: > > But maybe I'm wrong > and there are vast hordes of people interested in precise areas of parking > spaces and almost > nobody actually wants to park there. people can even park on a node. And no, it does not have to be

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 06:03, Alessandro Sarretta < alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote: On 09/03/19 17:18, Paul Allen wrote:om > > what I see on the map >> > > you're totally misunderstanding the reality... > That's entirely possible. Which was kinda my point. > Those parking places in

Re: [Tagging] Possibility to draw parking properties as an area

sent from a phone > On 9. Mar 2019, at 17:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > You're nit-picking > about minor problems that might be faced by autonomous vehicles parking > slightly in the > road and giving the major problem that many spaces accessible directly from > the north > carriage of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 20:51, Jan S wrote: > > I'm looking forward to your comment! > > See the proposal at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Police_facilites > Under "Rendering" you say "Typical police stations, i.e. places where one can get in contact with the police

Re: [Tagging] shop=clothes vs shop=fashion

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 10:35, severin.menard via Tagging wrote: > > shop=boutique is also one of the most confusing tags for French speaking > people, especially in Africa as boutique is used there for another type of > shops (the most common one: small shops selling food items): >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

Am So., 10. März 2019 um 04:09 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > Good start Jan. > Thanks! > > A first few thoughts. > > police=naval_base sounds very dramatic & possibly a bit over the top? > Having said that, none of the other common options seem quite right either >

[Tagging] shop=clothes vs shop=fashion

> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 23:16:58 +0100 > From: Markus selfishseaho...@gmail.com > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: > Message-ID: > cajj-s95rz9kbglipgfsvzftwhcsw02lpgx7h0kq3enp-iqp...@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [Tagging] tags for tutor or coaching out of school

I have checked some of these features in Taiwan some are tagged office=educational_institution, some are tagged amenity=prep_school, some are simply tagged as shop=yes. A discussion on Japanese osm mailing list suggest using amenity=prep_school for this type of facility. On OSM Taiwan's hackpad

Re: [Tagging] discouraging shop=fashion

On 3/10/19 9:11 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Mar 9, 2019, 11:16 PM by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: I'm in favour of deprecating shop=fashion because of its unclear meaning Based on discussion(s) it seems that there is no benefit from keeping this tag. I would support editors proposing

Re: [Tagging] discouraging shop=fashion

Mar 9, 2019, 11:16 PM by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: > I'm in favour of deprecating shop=fashion because of its unclear > meaning > Based on discussion(s) it seems that there is no benefit from keeping this tag. I would support editors proposing to replace it by shop=clothes + clothes=* or