Re: [Tagging] Tagging standards [moved from osmf-talk]

2022-10-24 Thread Illia Marchenko
вт, 25 окт. 2022 г., 0:59 Illia Marchenko :

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging standards [moved from osmf-talk]

2022-10-24 Thread Illia Marchenko
вт, 25 окт. 2022 г., 0:30 Asa Hundert :

> Am Mo., 24. Okt. 2022 um 01:05 Uhr schrieb Illia Marchenko
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> Did you mean "my personal notion of what
> this stands for ID"? After reading
> https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua
> consumers are doing that already.
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This is example only. Of course, another options is possible, including
Lua, JSON or even binary.
Regards,
Illia.

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging standards [moved from osmf-talk]

2022-10-24 Thread Asa Hundert
Am Mo., 24. Okt. 2022 um 01:05 Uhr schrieb Illia Marchenko
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In XML, ids must be unique. Did you mean "my personal notion of what
this stands for ID"? After reading
https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua
consumers are doing that already.

Asa

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Approved - Payment denominations

2022-10-24 Thread Michael Brandtner

Hi,

the proposal has been approved.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Payment_denominations

In the coming days, I will create wiki pages for the keys. I will also 
try to incorporate some of the comments by users who voted against the 
proposal or abstained from voting (without changing the core of the 
accepted tagging scheme, of course).


Kind regards,
Michael
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - amenity=mailroom

2022-10-24 Thread Forman, George via Tagging
Voting has started for

amenity=mailroom

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/amenity%3Dmailroom

Please take a second and vote (for it).  Thanks.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - archaeological_site

2022-10-24 Thread Warin


On 24/10/22 07:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:




Oct 22, 2022, 15:09 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:



sent from a phone

On 22 Oct 2022, at 12:47, Anne-Karoline Distel
 wrote:

Following the rejection of the crannog proposal with the
concern about
the hierarchy above the proposed tag, I now propose to change
the key
from site_type to archaeological_type



such a retagging would be a waste of time, I would not pursue this
idea, and given the high majority that is required nowadays it is
also unlikely to succeed.

You could just continue mapping the settlement sites and crannogs
as you please and have a wonderful time, document the tags, speak
about it so that other people interested in mapping this kind of
feature can join you. :-)

personally it seems to me that it has chance of being a good idea



+1


It can coexist with past tags ...

Migration can then proceed;

A mechanical edit can be done to add the new tags.  (normal approval 
process)


After some time of use, the older tags can be removed .. (normal 
approval process)



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Re: [Tagging] Tagging standards [moved from osmf-talk]

2022-10-24 Thread Tobias Knerr

On 23.10.22 21:26 Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:
In my mind, the one thing that has been sorely lacking from this 
discussion is a clear articulation of the problem we are trying to solve 
here, from both a data producer (mapper) and data consumer (renderer 
etc) perspective.


Standardization is crucial for those aspects of our data model that a 
data consumer has to design algorithms around. Things like lane mapping, 
Conditional Restrictions, the standards for 3d buildings and indoor 
mapping, and so on.


When I spend months writing code for working with some aspect of OSM 
data, I need a stable foundation to build on. So I want to be reasonably 
confident that ...


* changes won't be made casually
* my use case won't be rendered impossible because it is overlooked or 
deemed unimportant by someone with different priorities
* there will be efforts to align the data with the new standard in a 
timely fashion (no decade-long coexistence of "old" and "new" styles)

* I can easily learn of any changes relevant to me
* I'm preferably even consulted as an expert before changes are made.

At the moment, none of that is the case. It is not at all unheard of for 
a mapper to just write things to the wiki that break the core logic and 
assumptions of established standards. Or for a descriptivist wiki editor 
to discover that some percentage of the database does things differently 
and to rewrite the wiki instead of fixing the data. And the only way for 
me to prevent or even notice any of that is to watch thousands of wiki 
pages for changes (most of which will be formatting noise) and then 
attempt to convince the person making the change why it would be a bad idea.


Do I have the perfect solution to achieve that? No. But you asked for 
problems to solve, and we will have to deal with those problems if we 
want people to confidently invest their time into building more complex 
OSM-based software – the kind of software needed to match the features 
that our competitors are already rolling out.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - archaeological_site

2022-10-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

> On 23 Oct 2022, at 22:15, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
>  wrote:
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> personally it seems to me that it has chance of being a good idea


which one, deprecating site_type or ignoring the „rejection“ of the voting?

Cheers Martin 
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