Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: On Monday 12 October 2009 14:34:42 Anthony wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering section, based on that document major roads are broken up

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering section, based on that document major roads are broken up into sections of 100km. Relation: node for start, node

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: And how are you going to find the start and end of those sections without surveying? You won't, not unless you have some external data to import (and you didn't mention anything about that). Long sections of highways are an exception rather than the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé gil...@corlobe.tk: Hello everybody, I propose to add a tag boundary=military : the problem is that, with the existing tags, it's almost impossible to mark correctly lots of data, like (non limitative list)

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 lulu-...@gmx.de: I would love to agree, but the needs of disabled persons are widely spread over our tagging scheme anyway, and awareness of objects that refer to accessibility is nearly zero. There are categories for visual, hearing and walking impariment, colletcted in the

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: is an exception, there are not many exceptions though, and as soon as a key:layer-page pops up, (e.g. set up by those who write continuously about this lack in this list), it will be solved. This requires an out of band work process, that

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2009/10/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-28 Thread John Smith
2009/11/28 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: excepted in some cases in US. The problem with implied values is when it is not true for a whole country and not only in a small number of exceptions. Then the default is country specific and should be documented separetely in the wiki for each country.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-02 Thread John Smith
2009/12/3 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: * In France, if you are walking your bike you're considered a pedestrian. So it's a footpath Same thing applies in a number of Australian states, you are supposed to dismount and walk your bike across pedestrian crossings.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-03 Thread John Smith
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: They wouldn't fit on the escalators anyway ;) As in, bicycle=carriage_prohibited. Maybe that's an australian use. Actually now that I google it, I guess carriage means, taking it

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: How to tag a highway that goes through/under a building? In this example, the service road is incorrectly rendered in mapnik as being on top of the building, despite the building having layer=1: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/316607432 I

Re: [Tagging] Why using place=city for legal status is a bad idea

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/28 wynnd...@lavabit.com: Using tagged population figures as a substitute to guide renderers has been suggested but it brings its own problems because people will expect them to be more broadly useful and figures may either be out of date or it may be unclear what area is being

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/28 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Is it? Can you explain why? Conceptually, all you need is layer=* and the ability to detect the overlap of the building=yes area and the highway=* way. But I guess you're saying this is hard to encode with render rules? This may need to be fixed

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-28 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com: As far as rendering is concerned, neither layering nor covered is properly rendered at this time on any of the renders that I'm aware of. Did you file a request for enhancement against mapnik for covered?

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But isn't that the case with lots of nodes? The place=city name=London node, does it describe something that is the node itself, or rather lend a name to all that is around it? The node should be part of a relation/boundary describing the area that

[Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of a highway occurring: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
: Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes: On 01/05/2010 01:32 PM, John Smith wrote: Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of a highway occurring: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 In that ticket, you wrote: “we think administrative polygons should be used

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net: You want to parse the wiki page from within osm2pgsql?  I am not so sure that's a good idea.  I think it should read that information from a local file (which can be updated from the wiki by an independent tool). For all it matters, the raw wiki

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: power=tower should be pylon=electricity power=line should be cable=electricity Remember, we're meant to be mapping  _physical_ entities tagging them as such. Yes, but similar key names makes grouping a lot easier, eg a lot of amenities should be

Re: [Tagging] Offices/non-shop businesses

2010-01-27 Thread John Smith
Land use can have a name Such and such industrial area etc On 1/28/10, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiosity, what's your intention in tagging these things? I get tags like amenity=cafe or

Re: [Tagging] Offices/non-shop businesses

2010-01-27 Thread John Smith
2010/1/28 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Usually the name of the area is different from that of the offices within it. And the office buildings themselves can also be named... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2010 22:57, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Accuracy is the key point. How detailed a mapper wants to go depends on time patience. At some point the level of mapping will out weigh the accuracy of those using the data and all the extra data will be constantly moved as

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 01:51, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Among other things, I want to be able to produce http://mytechnews.info/b/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nuvi-lane-assistance.jpg That's not photorealism, and it's not raster data, but that gore area is best mapped as an area (the lanes

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 02:10, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Maybe your implementation of micro mapping lanes doesn't have anything to do with areas, but then, if so it probably doesn't work. How do you represent gore areas which have highly variable widths as anything but areas? If you've got a

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 03:04, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Lat and lon please. Check out 2009 SoTM videos on 3D mapping of road ways and inside sky scrapers in Japan, apparently the Japanese buildings can be mini towns inside the buildings, again check out SoTM videos. So give me the XML. I'll

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 03:09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i'd be interested in examples of irregular shapes. in my experience, there are one or more straightaways which are wider, so the entries and exits have a change in width, plus irregularities due to escape roads, parking

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 06:26, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:13 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... Obviously if someone wants to spend a lot of time areas would be more accurate, but in that case it might as well be left as a raster image

Re: [Tagging] Islands in Parking Lots

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 07:11, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It's unverifiable in the same way any unofficial highway on private land is unverifiable (and as much as what constitutes a parking area is unverifiable). I don't think it poses much of a problem in practice. Except when aerial imagery

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 11:59, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, but what you're really doing (if i understand you correctly) is: You missed the point on lanes then, which is mostly what I'm interested in, being able to plot lanes and then describing them. 1) storing a way, plus

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
The only other problem left to solve is the 3D bit, elevation could be added to nodes as well, but all we need then is GPS equipment that has more accurate elevation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 12:53, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: long term handling of elevation is relevant to the race track problem, here's an elevation map of watkins glen to provide more than enough rationale: This isn't about race tracks any more, but complex mapping of road ways,

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 12:42, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: It may be difficult to obtain GPS equipment that has accurate altitude data. The GPS satellite system is maintained by the US military, and I have read that the altitude information available to civilian equipment has

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 12:37, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: A lane could be described, geometrically, by an area (to indicate the space it takes up on the Earth's surface) and a way (to indicate the centerline and direction of travel). Vector data can do close approximations too, which

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 12:37, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe it is best if you put together a proposal page so we can see all aspects of your idea(s) in one place... My thoughts on a solution have changed based on Richard's suggestion about

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 13:38, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It's trivial with areas. If the borders touch, the areas touch. You can't do that using a way and a width, unless you expect to do a bunch of calculations behind the scenes (in the editors, in the routers, in the renderers, etc). Which

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 14:21, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 1) use tags on nodes to describe an area 2) use an area to describe an area Generally speaking, I predict 2) will be easier. Just like ways there is a lot of meta information to describe lanes, can you change lanes, do lanes

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 17:09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Area means a closed way, with tags referring to the entity bounded by the way. Simple enough I thought. Polygon might be more applicable, area is a type of a polygon. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 15:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. Hence why I have said multiple times that I think a way PLUS an area is a better solution than trying to mangle the idea of an area into tags on nodes. What ever you call it, the problem is still the same, minimising

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 February 2010 00:27, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Lack of support in the software, which in turn is caused by lack of svn access, which in turn is caused by lack of an approved proposal. That isn't a valid answer, or relations wouldn't exist, either my suggestion is valid and we press to

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 13:31, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: that altitude error will always be worse than lat/lon error. But I think that's a good argument for not recording absolute elevation but rather recording some sort of relative elevation. The reason for absolute elevation is simply

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 10:26, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not sure what GPS software you're talking about. For recording of altitudes, I'm not sure GPS is not accurate enough to be very useful. Also, I already made that point. there's the issue of what vertical datum is being used. For

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2010 17:55, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I just remembered, that nodes attached to ways have the following XML way id='-7' visible='true' nd ref='-2' / nd ref='-6' / /way What's to stop us tagging the node reference with a width? way id='-1' visible

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 17:25, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What I've suggested above means we can tag nodes, but as it applies to a way, this would obviously need to be supported by editors etc, but solves the problem of one thing, one object as far as I can see. It could also solve

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 07:24, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I guess...but this might be tricky for editors to deal with when way direction is reversed. Not really, think of the bits between nodes as segments, you apply the information to a segment, except width which is applied at the

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 07:22, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: It is one option for tagging width, but users would then still need to make some assumption about the direction in which width is measured (probably the bisection of the angle between previous/following nodes) and interpolate

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 08:50, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIR the barrier=fence should not be applied to an area, what means in pratical to draw a second way atop the area limits (not really elegant). Another approach is to tag fenced=yes to the area (don't know if someone

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 10:02, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Still feasible, but it is worth noting. This already happens in JOSM with ways when they are oneway=yes... slightly different, but there is already triggers for it... I know. But if you are happy with splitting (as I am), then

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 February 2010 06:13, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: But it seems like you're suggesting that the OSM way instead should represent: a) if a oneway feature: the centerline b) if a twoway feature: the divider between traffic travelling in each direction I already map the node at

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal image=http:/... .jpg

2010-02-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 February 2010 15:00, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I edited the page 'image' feel free to fix / edit/ delete There seems to be a number of URL type tags, is there a need for a specific image tag? Wouldn't it be better to unify these? eg URI:image=* URI:wikipedia=*

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a flagpole / ~flagstaff?

2010-02-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 February 2010 23:53, Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de wrote: How to tag a flagpole / ~flagstaff? I could not find it in the wiki. I had a quick look on the wiki, couldn't see anything. try something like amenity=flag_pole and add something to the wiki

Re: [Tagging] adjacent buildings

2010-02-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 February 2010 11:56, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know - source is aerial imagery. Then all you can do is map what you see, is there a gap between buildings or not? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] US interstate Relations

2010-02-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 February 2010 14:53, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: To quote Richard, they've decided that don't tag for the renderer trumps don't screw the renderer over completely. I think the way the US relations are being tagged is tagging for the renderer and the majority of information is

Re: [Tagging] source:geolocation?

2010-02-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2010 15:12, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Thus...is there a need for a new tag like source:geolocation? Did you check tagwatch for the most common reference to source:*location* ? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Narrow width

2010-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 February 2010 01:54, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Don't give again the same arguments as last time on this list. We just have How is the argument given less relevent than last time? to admit that many contributors find easier to say that a residential street is narrower than the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Narrow width

2010-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 February 2010 10:19, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Or they should use est_width=1.5m + note=road looks narrow - please confirm width Which is what was being suggested in the proposal on the wiki: Lets say we define narrow as approximately =3m. Then a way with width=2.5 will

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-20 Thread John Smith
Can anyone see any obvious problems with parsing something like the following: opening_hours=1/Sa 09:00-11:00; 3/Su 10:00-12:00 Or something similar to indicate the 1st Saturday and the 3rd Sunday of the month. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 17:08, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: opening_hours=1/Sa 09:00-11:00; 3/Su 10:00-12:00 To expand on this, there is local markets in a park on the 1st, 3rd and 5th sundays of the month, to describe this would there be any issues doing it this way? opening_hours

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 20:34, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: I guess it would work. However, I wouldn't understand what it means when encountering that value. One of the advantages of the opening_hours tag is that you can usually understand it without refering to documentation. Or is

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 22:15, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: vcalendar/icalendar can express things like this. IMHO OSM try to follow existing practice as much as possible, so using something which maps as closely to vcalendar/icalendar as possible would be best, but the actual wire format

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 22:59, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: END:VCALENDAR I don't think vcal/ical is suitable, simply because it doesn't merge the information into a single line/tag... Clearly opening hours more or less has a grammar (I wonder if anyone is trying to mcahine parse the

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 23:31, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: True, but things can't be both obviously human readable and compact/unambiguous. The real goal in tags isn't human readable but nerd readable, and I think that once someone learns that Su[1] means first sunday, they won't have

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
Also can anyone think of any other cases that opening_hours can't describe at the moment? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 00:09, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: * derivatives of sunrise and sunset (like two hours before sunset). Some parks here have opening hours like that. I'll take a stab, might be able to do this using round brackets... (sunrise+2)-(sunset-2) * public holidays, and

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 06:20, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: - the last Sunday in the month Greg covered this with his suggestion: Su[-1] - the first / last / third... wednesday of one specific month We[1,3,-1] - one hour after sunset (sunset+01:00) - every thursday with

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 12:42, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I meant e.g. the last wednesday of July. Would that be We[-1 July] ? Well opening_hours already covers months, and this is nerd speak so it would be: We[-1] 19:00-21:00 Aug Aug - 1 Wednesday = last wednesday in

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 16:15, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Also can anyone think of any other cases that opening_hours can't describe at the moment? Perhaps a school (or something else) that is open

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Narrow width

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 18:54, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I reckon 3 paces would be more helpful than narrow Paces of a short or tall person? :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Narrow width

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 10:45, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: have a bigger truck than yours and is 5 meters wide. How can I find a way if none of the highways have a width tag ? So if a way is missing a maxspeed=* tag, that means we can travel at any speed we like, or should we use the

Re: [Tagging] opening hours

2010-02-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 February 2010 01:49, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Maybe I'm used to a different dialect of nerd speak, but I'd intuitively expect Aug Th[-1] to mean last Thursday of August. *shrug* it's how php works... http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mktime.php On a more practical

Re: [Tagging] source:geolocation?

2010-02-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 February 2010 07:32, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone feel strongly about needing a vote for this, or should I go ahead and add source:location to Map Features and Key:source on the wiki? I've given up on any notion that voting is actually useful, 30k+ active mappers,

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-02-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 February 2010 08:32, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: 2. I've been tagging 25 mph school zones (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/SchoolZone-SpeedLimitSignAndLight.JPG) as maxspeed:children_present=25 mph. Can someone comment on where such zones end (I

Re: [Tagging] Flood prone areas

2010-03-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 March 2010 14:56, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: We don't get much seasonal flooding in Australia, but there is a lot The majority of seasonal flooding (wet season) effects northern areas of Australia which has generally low population, the majority of flooding that effect

Re: [Tagging] Utility overcrossings?

2010-04-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 April 2010 05:42, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I have also seen over-street bridges that support conveyor belts used to move materials between industrial facilities. I vaguely remember something about conveyor belts in the past, I can't remember what came of it, but I know

Re: [Tagging] New place value for single settlements (below hamlet)

2010-04-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 April 2010 04:12, ℳ∡ℝℸⅈℿ Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Following recent discussion on talk-de I'm proposing a new place value for single settlements (free standing single building, often farm, outside settlement, max. 2 households). From Map Features wiki page: place=hamlet

Re: [Tagging] New place value for single settlements (below hamlet)

2010-04-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 April 2010 08:52, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: OK - we don't have a word for that - it's just a house, or a farm. Sure we do... building=[house|farm|yes] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 08:33, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/8 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. Do not use this tag for patches of sand/gravel which

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the beaches-hack is not to be kept eternally... It doesn't look like anyone ever filed a bug about this, so I just added one:

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 01:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I see you filed this ticket for natural=sand. This doesn't literally apply to berlin beaches, as they are all man_made. That's why I suggested surface=sand (doesn't matter if it's natural or not). I don't think it

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 08:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach. For a beach created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a city, to me, that's

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 09:03, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: +1 for landuse=beach, providing that includes beach below high tide mark, and hoping that no person thinks that should be seause=beach I don't see an overly compelling reason to change the existing tag, however there are things like golf

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 11:23, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Not wanting to hijack this thread onto another subject, but the general problem is using adjectives (natural) instead of nouns (landuse) for Most sand is the product of a natural process, rather than being created even if it's moved,

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 20:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Surely these should be tagged golf_course=bunker, or something. I was hoping for something a little more generic since you can also have beach volley ball areas that are no where near beaches, there is also sand in deserts, and

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 01:36, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: For a while now, I've been drawing and tagging drive through lanes at fast food restaurants with highway=service and service=drive_thru (and sometimes also oneway=yes since it seems that the implicit vs. explicit tags debate is

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 01:56, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In my experience the oneway is usually explicit, as there are arrows on the ground. junction=roundabout implies oneway=yes, which is why you don't need to add a oneway tag as well. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 02:33, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Now, if we really want to start a flame war, maybe I should ask whether or not to include bicycle=no :). While your comment is tongue in cheek, most drive throughs have height/width restrictions and usually don't allow towed vehicles to be

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 07:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestions? As is, you can't use surface because that's only for roads/footpaths (although strangely it's also used for Why does the surface tag have to be limited to roads/footpaths? leisure=pitch's - seems the wiki needs

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 09:09, Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Sand is not a necessary element of a beach in any case. In fact, the original meaning of 'beach' was: 'The loose water-worn pebbles of the sea-shore; shingle.' All this means is that sand is assumed, since natural=beach

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 13:49, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Since a couple of people mentioned that service=drive-through is a good value, then I'd go for this value too for consistency. If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 14:20, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Good point. I assume you disagree with the use of landuse=grass, then? (which is listed at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse) It seems inconsistent with other landuses such as residential, industrial, commercial etc.

Re: [Tagging] Beaches

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 15:05, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: My personal opinion is that we should separate out the cover tags from landuse into some other tag (doesn't have to be landcover). Not because this is required, or it for easier searching, though they may be side benefits. Simply

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 22:44, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through I still vote for drive-through (or, alternatively, drive-thru). I've never seen anyone call one a drive_through. I see no value in consistency if it

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2010 03:48, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: However, with drive-thrus (at least here in Florida), the public does not have any right of access whatsoever. In NSW, Australia everyone has the right to come and knock on your door, it's only trespassing if you ask them to leave and they

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2010 03:54, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just because we've done it in the past. It makes perfect sense if you come from a programming

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2010 06:02, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: maxheight + maxwidth and maybe a new trailer=no? I was hesitant to use the word 'trailer' since it means different things in different variations of English, and it's not the only thing that could be towed, things like caravans

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2010 06:12, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if that's true, but if I see how many complaints there are about the ÖPNV-Karte, which ist just one word, probably introducing more German will not facilitate OSM-development in the rest of the world ;-) I

Re: [Tagging] Turning gate on footpaths

2010-04-13 Thread John Smith
2010/4/14 Hinrik Örn Sigurðsson hinrik@gmail.com: I looked on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barrier but wasn't able to find a tag for this barrier. Is there a common tag in use for this? barrier=gate ? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Turning gate on footpaths

2010-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2010 02:29, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: I agree. Barrier=gate + motorcar=no (motor_vehicle=no?) You don't need motorcar=no for the barrier, you'd tag the way with it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Fire fighting training facilities

2010-04-17 Thread John Smith
I couldn't see anything on the wiki that matched this, but at most large airports in Australia they have fire fighting training facilities and I wonder if anyone has tagged these in the past, if so what scheme was used? http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.360791,153.133259z=20

Re: [Tagging] Fire fighting training facilities

2010-04-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 April 2010 08:21, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: I think the BPD Bomb Squad makes use of BFD's practice burn range for detonations as opposed to a separate facility, they may have a garage Ok, so in this case they share, but there may be other facilities that need sub-typing

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