Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

[nwastra]

+1

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> On 2 Feb 2019, at 10:39 pm, Markus  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 at 11:21, Sergio Manzi  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank-you for confirming that, Mark.
>> 
>> Personally I think we, in OSM, should stop with this folly of overloading 
>> English words with meanings they do not have in any dictionary (be it AmE, 
>> BrE, CaE, or whatever).
>> 
>> Both the "ditch" and "drain" words can be used to describe certain features 
>> in English. The difference is essentially an etymological one, with one 
>> related to the process of excavation (dig -> ditch) and the other to the 
>> function of carrying liquids away (dry -> drain).
>> 
>> If we want to precisely map certain characteristics of a feature we should 
>> do it explicitly through a correct data model that takes into consideration 
>> the particular aspect we are trying to communicate. We want to communicate 
>> the information that a (small) waterway is lined with concrete? Just say 
>> that with an appropriate tag, like e.g. lined=*, or lining=*. We want to 
>> communicate the information that a (small) waterway is used to carry waste 
>> water away? Once again, let's say that with an appropriate tag, like e.g. 
>> usage=* (please ignore if the specific tags I put in the examples are not of 
>> your liking: not the point here, let's discuss that later...).
>> 
>> Arbitrarily overloading words with meanings they do not have in the common 
>> language is just a perfect way to Babel, that is a reduction in information.
> 
> + 1
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Re: [Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

[nwastra]

Australians also know a kiosk as a small selling booth for small articles e.g. 
newspapers, sweets, drinks often found on central city railway stations.

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> On 26 Apr 2018, at 8:22 pm, James  wrote:
> 
> @Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson,  wrote:
>> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power kiosk. It 
>> converts the high voltage to low voltage and distributes power to 
>> households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me. 
>> Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers, sweets, 
>> drinks. Mainly found on railway stations.
>> 
>> 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy :
>>> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to be the 
>>> right word for these.  A kiosk is normally something that *is* large enough 
>>> for a person to enter (typically, someone selling something through a 
>>> hatch).
>>> 
>>> __John
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y.  wrote:
 It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
 El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe 
  escribió:
 Hi,
 
 Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk page 
 of power=substation key.
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets
 
 Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages 
 (with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
 
 location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to 
 replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet + 
 street_cabinet=power
 
 location key can now be used everytime to give the right 
 substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not.
 We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this : 
 man_made=street_cabinet
 street_cabinet=power
 power=substation
 substation=minor_distribution
 location=underground or indoor or ...
 
 All the best
 
 François
 
 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe :
 Hi
 
 The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described 
 with power=substation + location=kiosk.
 They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter to 
 work (opposite of building) : 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg
 
 Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function. 
 
 Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
 power=substation
 substation=minor_distribution 
 location=kiosk
 
 I propose to update it as such :
 man_made=street_cabinet
 street_cabinet=power
 power=substation
 substation=minor_distribution
 location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located)
 
 It works both for nodes or areas.
 Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position 
 instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks 
 for instance) 
 There are 7k objects in db:
 https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk
 
 Pages to update are :
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
 
 How do you feel about it ?
 
 There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this 
 question.
 Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days.
 No automated edits.
 
 Thanks for your time
 
 François
 
 
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 El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert 
  escribió:
> Hi,
> 
> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible
> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history
> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 

Re: [Tagging] How to map Outdoor Fitness Equipment

[nwastra]

I agree with those changes.

> On 21 Apr 2018, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd like to rewrite the wiki entry to be:
> 
> For an area containing multiple pieces of equipment either map out the area 
> as a way or add a node at the centre with leisure=fitness_station + optional 
> tags like fitness_station:horizontal_ladder=yes, 
> fitness_station:parallel_bars=yes, etc to describe the features of that 
> fitness_station.
> 
> If you'd like to instead map out the locations of individual equipment within 
> the fitness station area tag these as nodes with 
> fitness_station=horizontal_ladder;
> 
> Alternatively if there is a lone piece of equipment not part of a larger 
> fitness area tag it as a node with leisure=fitness_station + 
> fitness_station=horizontal_ladder, etc.
> 
> The wiki has had a few issues in this regard with it going through a few 
> major changes in respect to the above. What does everyone else think of this?
> 
> On 21 April 2018 at 08:39, nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:nwas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> leisure=fitness_station   
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=fitness_station 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=fitness_station>
> 
> N
> 
> On 21 Apr 2018, at 8:04 am, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:winfi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> A few days ago this was installed:
>> 
>> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/geAJ9RpsDDeDNQxqwpykBw 
>> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/geAJ9RpsDDeDNQxqwpykBw>
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how to map it?
>> 
>> Polyglot
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Re: [Tagging] How to map Outdoor Fitness Equipment

[nwastra]

Paul, you missed a few names on the street lamps   :)

> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:48 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Fitness station.  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/481647738 
>  is an example I've mapped. 

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Re: [Tagging] How to map Outdoor Fitness Equipment

[nwastra]

leisure=fitness_station   
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=fitness_station

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> On 21 Apr 2018, at 8:04 am, Jo  wrote:
> 
> A few days ago this was installed:
> 
> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/geAJ9RpsDDeDNQxqwpykBw
> 
> Any suggestions on how to map it?
> 
> Polyglot
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Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms

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I rarely do public transport tagging but found that using the new tag for a bus 
stop did not render so I had to add the old version of the tag to render. I may 
be in error here due to not being very familiar with the transport schemes. You 
may call that tagging for the renderer but i see very little point in adding 
anything to the osm database if it does not render on the standard map.

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> On 31 Mar 2018, at 12:55 am, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>> On 29. Mar 2018, at 03:56, Daniel Koć  wrote:
>> 
>> Double tagging is a problem too
> 
> 
> can you please explain what you mean with “double tagging” and what the 
> problem is?
> 
> cheers,
> Martin 
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[Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[nwastra]

I also find the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific 
enough to be a widely used tag if documented on the osm cycling pages.
nev
 
> On 17 Feb 2018, at 8:40 PM, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Javbw
> 
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout  > wrote:
> 
>> think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough.
> 
> I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare places 
> here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question thread is a sun protection 
> or picnic shelter with name=Cycle Rest Area. 
> 
> Javbw 
> 
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[Tagging] amenity=atm + man_made=surveillance

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On 7 Dec 2017, at 10:07 am, Nelson A. de Oliveira  wrote:

>> But I didn't find any discussion on this here. Do you agree that it is
>> adequate to combine amenity=atm with man_made=surveillance on the same
>> element?

I also think that man_made=surveillance is not a suitable tag for reasons 
already stated.
amenity=atm + camera=yes would seem to me to be sufficient and more suitable.
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