Australians also know a kiosk as a small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks often found on central city railway stations.
N > On 26 Apr 2018, at 8:22 pm, James <[email protected]> wrote: > > @Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here > >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson, <[email protected]> wrote: >> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power kiosk. It >> converts the high voltage to low voltage and distributes power to >> households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me. >> Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers, sweets, >> drinks. Mainly found on railway stations. >> >> 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <[email protected]>: >>> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to be the >>> right word for these. A kiosk is normally something that *is* large enough >>> for a person to enter (typically, someone selling something through a >>> hatch). >>> >>> __John >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018. >>>> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe >>>> <[email protected]> escribió: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk page >>>> of power=substation key. >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets >>>> >>>> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages >>>> (with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet. >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet >>>> >>>> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to >>>> replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet + >>>> street_cabinet=power >>>> >>>> location key can now be used everytime to give the right >>>> substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not. >>>> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this : >>>> man_made=street_cabinet >>>> street_cabinet=power >>>> power=substation >>>> substation=minor_distribution >>>> location=underground or indoor or ... >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> François >>>> >>>> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <[email protected]>: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described >>>> with power=substation + location=kiosk. >>>> They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter to >>>> work (opposite of building) : >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg >>>> >>>> Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function. >>>> >>>> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags: >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples >>>> power=substation >>>> substation=minor_distribution >>>> location=kiosk >>>> >>>> I propose to update it as such : >>>> man_made=street_cabinet >>>> street_cabinet=power >>>> power=substation >>>> substation=minor_distribution >>>> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located) >>>> >>>> It works both for nodes or areas. >>>> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position >>>> instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks >>>> for instance) >>>> There are 7k objects in db: >>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk >>>> >>>> Pages to update are : >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet >>>> >>>> How do you feel about it ? >>>> >>>> There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this >>>> question. >>>> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days. >>>> No automated edits. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time >>>> >>>> François >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>>> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert >>>> <[email protected]> escribió: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible >>>>> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history >>>>> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 2018-01-02. The >>>>> edit description mentions man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power >>>>> as a replacement. >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685 >>>>> >>>>> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation Refinement >>>>> Proposal in 2013. >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation >>>>> >>>>> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet Proposal in >>>>> 2014. >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet >>>>> This proposal does not mention substations or transformers at all. >>>>> >>>>> I think that small substations are not street cabinets because they are >>>>> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located on the >>>>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area. >>>>> >>>>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose >>>>> to revert this change on the wiki. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten >>>>> ausgenommen) >>>>> I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tagging mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Vr gr Peter Elderson >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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