Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche
Thanks Pieren! 1) keyvalue = nursery: I agree that nursery seems to match crèche. And it has no special character. This would maybe be good. I did a search for several keywords before choosing crèche, but I did not think of nursery. I'm just wondering where they are, and what they really map (I could find only 5 of them in Switzerland and they mapped exactly crèche. The 3 I found in Germany around Karlruhe are probably an childcare in a sense of a after-school, and 5 in Bruxelles, Belgium are probably also crèches. I did not find none of them in any other major city I checked around Europe and the World - Berlin, Vienna, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Oslo, Moskau, London, NewYork, LosAngeles, Rio de Janeiro, Melbourne, How can I find them all???) 2) difference between nursery/crèche/childcare -- vs. -- kindergarten/pre-school: * age: starting from 2 months -- vs. -- 3 years (UK), 4 years (Germany), 5 years (Switzerland) * time: whole day -- vs. -- some hours / only the morning * scope: Life - e.g. eating, going outdoor -- vs. -- structured playing, educational activities. Thanks, nounours Am 04.11.2013 um 11:28 schrieb Pieren: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: My understanding, as a native UK English speaker, is that a nursery is somewhere that a child attends regularly, a pre-school type place. A creche is somewhere that looks after young children for occasional short-term periods, such as in a shopping centre or a university. What is called a crèche in French is your nursery. Btw, we already find ~400 amenity=nursery in taginfo. And what is the difference between nursery and kindergarten ? age ? Pieren nb : we should really avoid special chars in standised tags. Think that not every keyboard provides an easy access to è like yours and not everyone is working exclusively with presets. It would be the same concern with Cyrillic or Chinese characters... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche
Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag Crèches or Childcare-centres or Daycare-centrers or Kindertagesstätte. Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts. Nounours! A crèche is an institution who takes care of a child during the day, normally on a daily basis, including meals, playing activities and outdoor activities. A crèche is more a place to live than a place to learn, so it's not a pre-school, even if some educational activities might be present. A crèche is not an after-school for older children already visiting a school or a Kindergarten, even tough there a crèches where children are allowed to stay when they grow up for one or two years after they entered kindergarten/primary school and use it as an after-school, even if it's not. The service is known as child care center in the United Kingdom and Australia and day care center in North America . In german speaking countries it is known asKindertagesstätte or Kita or Hort (mainly Austria). It seems to be relevant enough to do a proper tagging, currently, there are about 2000 crèches in Switzerland, and their number is quickly growing. I do not know about Germany and Austria, but I suppose the numbers being there important as well. Another reason: Knowing where crèches are located is an important information. Some use-cases: I'm looking for an apartment. The choice will depend on available crèches in the surroundings. So having a quick overview where they are and getting contact information based on geolocalisation is important. Grandmothers and godfathers who occasionally pick up the kid need driving instructions ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche
Dear Matthijs, Thanks very much for pointing me to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare2.0 I wasn't aware of this!!! For the rest, I tried to make it clear in the proposal how to deal with other kinds of childcare ... but I will first try to merge with childcare2.0 and then see further .. thanks! Gilbert Am 03.11.2013 um 14:56 schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear Gilbert, Thank you for proposing this, I agree that there is a need for this tag. I also agree that creches are clearly distinct from kindergarten, so they should have different tags. Are you aware of the earlier efforts to propose this? See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare2.0 . Does the strong divide between creches and places for older children also exist in other countries? To prevent confusion, maybe it would be an idea to propose a tag for places for older children alongside with the creche tag? For the native speakers: is creche the most commonly used term? Is there a difference between creche and nursery? -- Matthijs On 3 November 2013 13:31, Gilbert Hangartner kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag Crèches or Childcare-centres or Daycare-centrers or Kindertagesstätte. Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts. Nounours! A crèche is an institution who takes care of a child during the day, normally on a daily basis, including meals, playing activities and outdoor activities. A crèche is more a place to live than a place to learn, so it's not a pre-school, even if some educational activities might be present. A crèche is not an after-school for older children already visiting a school or a Kindergarten, even tough there a crèches where children are allowed to stay when they grow up for one or two years after they entered kindergarten/primary school and use it as an after-school, even if it's not. The service is known as child care center in the United Kingdom and Australia and day care center in North America . In german speaking countries it is known asKindertagesstätte or Kita or Hort (mainly Austria). It seems to be relevant enough to do a proper tagging, currently, there are about 2000 crèches in Switzerland, and their number is quickly growing. I do not know about Germany and Austria, but I suppose the numbers being there important as well. Another reason: Knowing where crèches are located is an important information. Some use-cases: I'm looking for an apartment. The choice will depend on available crèches in the surroundings. So having a quick overview where they are and getting contact information based on geolocalisation is important. Grandmothers and godfathers who occasionally pick up the kid need driving instructions ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche
Hi André, I first wrote crèche, obviously. Then I sent a mail to the mailing list, and the è was not rendered correctly. So I concluded that having a non-ascii character in a tag might be more of a nuisance … I'm french speaking and would obviously prefer a è. Can you point me to some information how this kind of questions is treated in OSM? nounours Am 03.11.2013 um 15:44 schrieb André Pirard: On 2013-11-03 14:31, Gilbert Hangartner wrote : Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag Crèches or Childcare-centres or Daycare-centrers or Kindertagesstätte. Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts. amenity=creche According to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crèche and .../creche, as well as all non-foreign dictionaries, the spelling is crèche, not creche. Why make spelling mistakes? Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
