Re: [Tagging] Multistory medical office building

2014-08-01 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
If the building carries a common name for all the offices I would tag it with amenity=clinic. Otherwise each office with amenity=doctors. You can dig the wiki for indoor mapping advice, level on which the office is is perhaps level=# (can't remember w/out verifying). Cheers, -Jaakko On Jul 31, 201

Re: [Tagging] layer=-1, rivers, bridges and tunnels

2014-03-14 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Re; tagging a (complete or longer segment of a) river with layer=-1 I don't understand why anyone would do this. That's it. Why? Layer= tag clearly (logically) implies that some data is above or below some other data. At least to my logic. And I don't seem to be the only one with this thinking. A

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-12 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
My (non-native) English understanding / ear says that dirt is a general name for all unpaved roads. This may include any loose material, really ranging from soil that just happened to be there to natural or processed sand to industrially produced gravel, possibly with an added layer of "loose" mate

Re: [Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Used in conjunction with amenity=hospital emergency=yes also implies that a hospital has an Emergency Room. For tag-related questions Taginfo and OSM Wiki are good resources: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aemergency%3Dyes * http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/emergency=yes#combinatio

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for cel phone credit selling places?

2013-11-25 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Thanks for raising this up, Severin. I see a pretty strong similarity to ATM or restaurant with this. The points being: * the tag should work as stand-alone and also (ref. amenity=atm/restaurant) * as a part of other service/amenity (ref. atm/restaurant=yes) shop=mobile_phone alone is not good (e

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > I am sure this has been asked many times before: >>> How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at >>> your own risk" >>> ? >> >> Is there any text before that, like "guard dogs roaming free (-- access at your own risk)" ? Seriously though,

Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

2013-06-12 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Is it possible to view geotagged Flickr photos or geotagged photos from some other reputable image hosting service in JOSM? Flickr, Picasa, what-not would be good. .. And even better if it was possible to choose to view only photos of certain license (thinking of different CC licenses). I thought I

Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

2013-06-12 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I was actually about to post a comment myself that more than one image _might_ be justified in some casaes -- but having images from different time is probably not a good idea. Especially: "image:=" would seem not suitable for OSM. Or what would be the limit for # of photo links? 5, 10, 50, 10

Re: [Tagging] "State of repair" tag

2013-06-09 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I think that the prefix "abandoned:" is what you refer to and "disused:" is your answer, eih? - disused :*=* "features that* are in a reasonable state of repair but which are currently unused*" "The name is still relevant, and will still be

Re: [Tagging] how to tag professional schools

2013-06-03 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I think that the OSM wikiis both precise and good on the use of amenity=school Use amenity =*school* to > identify a place where pupils, normally between the ages of about 5 and 18 > are taught

Re: [Tagging] cinema service_times

2013-05-31 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
the same hours and days every week. and I have this kind of problem for Haiti too. Xavier 2013/5/31 Jaakko Helleranta.com > 1) I think it's a local question. > 2) If the times are stable then service/show times are just as good in the > OSM db as opening hours are. > > M

Re: [Tagging] cinema service_times

2013-05-31 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
1) I think it's a local question. 2) If the times are stable then service/show times are just as good in the OSM db as opening hours are. My 2 cents, -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Richard Welty To: tagging@openstreetmap.org ReplyTo: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Substation Refinement

2013-05-22 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I have a practical case at hand where an energy specialist in one international development institution is thrilled about the possibility of OSM providing a platform where "all" the details of the electricity network of one developing country. Something that no one has been able to do because di

Re: [Tagging] When was barrier=entrance abandoned ?

2013-05-08 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
The way I've understood these tags is that barrier=entrance conceptualizes/describes one thing (a gap in a barrier; a possibility to enter) whereas the entrance=* key marks an entrance (for routing purposes; how to get there). Surely we could change the barrier=entrance to barrier=gap or entra

Re: [Tagging] Juice "restaurants"

2013-05-08 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
And what should "cafes without seats" be tagged as then? amenity=fast_drinks amenity=cafe_bar Or something else? -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer Date: Wed, 8 May

Re: [Tagging] [HOT] HDM presets and tagging revised and for review

2013-04-26 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I'd also keep them both. .. In the context of Haiti (where this dev work was done) you would/should also tag objects as graveyards that are just small burial places. IMO, that is. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhellera

Re: [Tagging] generator:output:electricity - for photovoltaic panels?

2013-04-08 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
My experience from working with power system indicators (for about two years a few years back) is that you definitely should include the "boilerplate" capacity values. The name of this value can have many other names such as Installed Capacity, etc. Wikipedia had some decent entries on this and

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-11-30 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
"why not just have an ordered list of the stops it makes?" Eg. Because public transportation systems don't always have fixed stops. + the other reasons mentioned. -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Richard Welty To: tagging@openstreetmap.org ReplyTo: Tag discussion, strategy and related

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-11-30 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
+1 This was exactly what I was about to comment. I'd add that things might look relatively ok in areas where the map data is pretty complete -- but it totally tanks in areas where it's not. I didn't come to think of the access-/practicability-related, which make it even more complicated. As per

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Pieren, ... And those are all important things to find. -Jaakko On Nov 20, 2012 4:47 AM, "Pieren" wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a > > simple "operator". The tag should refer to the

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-19 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Sounds good -- if there would be a general financial services main tag like amenity=financial_services (when it's not part of another amenity). Is such used already? Btw. I _think_ it should be withdraw_al_ (with the *al ending). -Jaakko On Nov 19, 2012 10:02 AM, "Eric SIBERT" wrote: > There's

Re: [Tagging] Car sharing: which kind

2012-11-09 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Perhaps the reason is that these are two different things: The first bullet refers to car sharing and the second to ride sharing, as far as I can tell. See "ride sharing" (aka. car pooling) with your favorite search engine. .. There seems to be an abandoned proposal for car pooling ( http://wiki.op

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 36, Issue 12

2012-09-08 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Pls change the Subject of your replies when replying to a digest. _At least_ have the topic in the body text... But there's no reason not to have the subject of the email, well, in the Subject line. With kind regards, -J -- Sent from my mobile device. Excuse my brevity and/or typos. SMS/call to +

[Tagging] Tagging (roads, squares/pitches) in the dev world -- was: Re: [HOT] Senegal - Dakar Flooding Activation

2012-09-05 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
[Added tagging@ as this is about tagging in general in the dev world (I feel) and not just humanitarian.. Reply as u see fit.] My simple advise: * Always when tracing roads and in (more or less clear) doubt: use highway=road Surely u can and should also use "FIXME=survey road class" when in dou

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I just _had_ to check what that is/was... The NYC node (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/61785451) was along those lines: alt-name=New York City -> fixed to alt_name=* .. but also added official_name=New York City -- and just now short_name=NYC The city website (http://nyc.gov) seems to u

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of company name change

2012-09-03 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com > > You might want to move the old name to, well, old_name=* .. > > And if the tag "old_name" is already present with a previous store name ? > Then you mer

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of company name change

2012-09-03 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
There's also the operator=* tag even though I think that's not The One suitable for this case. -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Johan Jönsson Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:06:21 To: Repl

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-13 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Potable = something that you can put into a flower pot? + an odd connotation to potty training... Look! It's Friday! Bon weekend, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Philip Barnes Dat

Re: [Tagging] Brickworks

2012-07-12 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Man_made=works + works=bricks ? -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Volker Schmidt To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools ReplyTo: Tag discussion,strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Brickworks Sent: Jul 12, 2012 11:59 I would like to tag a brickworks. Maybe it's

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I don't know if this is for consideration, but the word "potable" is not > very known outside english speaking countries (and maybe french, because it > comes from a french word). > +1 > Why not drinkable=official/yes/no? > Why not use d

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tag combinations: amenity and highway

2012-06-13 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
(Added tagging@osm. Isn't this more of a tagging discussion all-in-all?) Should both description and note keys be encouraged especially when using atypical tags/combinations? -Jaakko --Original Message-- From: Maarten Deen To: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tag combinat

Re: [Tagging] Tagging: minimum required tags

2012-05-18 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
... and if you identify an entrance it's a good idea to tag is as such: I've understood that entrance=yes is preferred over building=entrance (as that can be used for entrances to parks, parking lots, lots in general etc entrances that are not entrances to buildings. Right/wrong? -Jaakko On Fri,

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-14 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I bought a laptop backpack from a shop that sells bags just a bit over a week ago. My wife bought a handbag and some small bags. Neither of us bought a travel, nor were these bags travel-related. The store sells also bags that are clearly luggage. They don't sell travels ;) So, these stores sel

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-13 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Craig Wallace Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 17:54:13 To: Reply-To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page On 13/05/2012 18:37, Jaakko

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-13 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Since "Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an complicated word" may I ask: Wtf is it? .. And why on earth would we use it (over luggage or bag(s), which are understood by pretty much anyone)? -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Well, according to the definition it _is_ erroneous. > Amen. Now the real question is whether we should change the definition.(...) would there be any reason left to prefer mini_roundabout > for roundabouts that are "not strictly a mini-rou

Re: [Tagging] Openstreetview or similar and JOSM integration

2012-05-10 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
"Related project" as in? I have geotagged survey-type photos that I'd love to upload to such service. As mentioned before OpenStreetView is not for survey-focused photos but rather kind of an Open equivalent of Panoramio. Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko User:jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device fr

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
1 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Alan Mintz Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 04:50:31 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Reply-To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Btw. I think current Mapnik rendering renders addr:housenumber=* over barrier=gate . Meaning: if u tag em both u won't see the gate icon at all but only the house number. .. Which imho is not ideal. I'd love to see both rendered (when space allows) as both are of high importance. This is based

Re: [Tagging] Turn Restriction usage

2012-04-12 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: > in your example the angle at the considered point is far from dangerous or > considerable. > Your angle is in the range up to 45° and doesn't even reach 90° (a typical > crossing / turn situation). > > Points of no u-turn - that have to be co