[Tagging] Recognizing backward/forward parts of a road

2012-08-06 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi all, We (as in Polish OSM community) have been remapping for a while now and also repairing our road network. As a starting point for this effort we wanted to create relations for major roads. It's all good but some issues have been coming to light during this work. One of them I posted last

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-01 Thread Paweł Paprota
These are all good arguments but I think we should give more credit to mappers. Sorry if I'm being boring but I will again come back to OSMonitor reports that Polish community is now using for fixing roads - since I started publishing the reports every day I am shocked by how quickly people fix

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-31 Thread Paweł Paprota
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 23:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: No. We only create relations when the ref tag is not sufficient. We don't recommend that relations be created for roads otherwise, and anyone doing anything with the data should not expect relations to be there. How would you define

Re: [Tagging] Synonym handling

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi all, This is a manual response (i.e. no references header) since I have just subscribed to the list. Rather than long discussions about renaming or merging tags (e.g. drinkable, potable), perhaps we should accept that there will be things for which more than one tag name is in use, and

[Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi all, As part of the Poland remapping effort I have implemented a reporting system called OSMonitor which analyzes road network in Poland in OSM data and produces reports. Recently one user requested additional validation - checking if ways in a relation for a specific road contain proper ref

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 19:44, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: this logic is completely flawed. humans are not robots working on a list of problems to solve. As you learned from your experiment there is a inconsistency and now you can work to fix it. This is how osm works and it is great that

Re: [Tagging] tagging awards and ratings

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi Johan, Here is another idea that Richard F. pointed me to on IRC: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-January/033557.html I strongly believe that some mix of what you are writing about, what Richard is writing about above, what Tag Central presentation contains and what many

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
David, As I wrote - I am only producing reports for Poland and for my country there are very few complex situations and it really is straightforward to clearly see data duplication - having ref on ways has no value because everything is expressed in relations. If you have a tool that says US

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread Paweł Paprota
As I wrote before in this thread in response to the hiking trail example - this is great, I myself love mapping forest tracks for mountain biking and stuff. But maybe I should have made it clearer in the first place that I'm talking about major roads - this stuff really should be in tip top shape