Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow for searches to find trails on a railway grade. Searching for rail trails The use case is literally to find flattish bike paths? Searching for rail trails sounds like a pretty indirect way to do it. Especially since rails with trails/railside trails definitely aren't guaranteed a rail-friendly grade: the trail can go up and down the sides of cuttings, or down into a gully missing a rail bridge etc. There must be better ways to search for trails with a certain maximum grade? Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Masi Master masi-mas...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Some month ago I tried to start a proposal for rail-trails: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rail_trail I startet it with 'rail_trail=yes', but on talk-page some are against this, because highway=cycleway/footway + railway=abandoned are enough. Now it propose only the possible rendering. Yeah, I think the way you express it now is appropriate: just highway=cycleway, and railway=abandoned. (I don't necessarily agree with your description that rail trail = autobahn for bicycles. Often, around here at least, they're unpaved, and usually intended for tourism and recreation rather than commuting, for instance.) For the original question of how to tag a rail with trail (I've also heard the term railside trail), is it not sufficient to simply map the two ways separately? Example here: http://osm.org/go/uG4lkKxG?layers=C Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
* Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com [2012-07-03 17:22 +1000]: For the original question of how to tag a rail with trail (I've also heard the term railside trail), is it not sufficient to simply map the two ways separately? Example here: http://osm.org/go/uG4lkKxG?layers=C As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow for searches to find trails on a railway grade. Searching for rail trails is obviously easy; just look for railway=abandoned with a relevant highway= tag. But as things stand now, searching for railside trails is hard; you have to find a pair of ways, one tagged highway= and the other tagged railway=, that are roughly parallel to each other. That's a very complicated search to make, even working from a geodatabase. Adding another tag to the trails would make such searches much more feasible. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
Phil! Gold wrote: As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow for searches to find trails on a railway grade. That might not have the desired effect in all cases: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.068937lon=-4.077433zoom=18layers=C :-) Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
* SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk [2012-07-03 13:37 +0100]: Phil! Gold wrote: As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow for searches to find trails on a railway grade. That might not have the desired effect in all cases: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.068937lon=-4.077433zoom=18layers=C I would submit that an explicit tagging scheme such as the one NE2 suggests would handle that case quite well, because most people would not tag the Llanberis Path as a rail trail. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-06-27 12:59 -0400]: But another popular kind of rail trail, a rail with trail, cannot be found in this manner. [snip] Does anyone have any ideas for tagging? The simplest would be something like rail_with_trail=yes or maybe railway=adjacent. Either of those would work. Between those two, I'm inclined toward railway=adjacent so the search would be something like highway=(path|footway|cycleway) and railway=(abandoned|adjacent). Another possibility would be to use rail_trail=yes, which would apply to any rail trail. It would be implied by a non-motor-vehicle highway= tag and railway=abandoned, but could always be specified to be unambiguous. ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails
Hi, Some month ago I tried to start a proposal for rail-trails: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rail_trail I startet it with 'rail_trail=yes', but on talk-page some are against this, because highway=cycleway/footway + railway=abandoned are enough. Now it propose only the possible rendering. P.S.: I think I can't send it to: [Talk-us] Am 28.06.2012, 15:51 Uhr, schrieb Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com: * Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2012-06-27 12:59 -0400]: But another popular kind of rail trail, a rail with trail, cannot be found in this manner. [snip] Does anyone have any ideas for tagging? The simplest would be something like rail_with_trail=yes or maybe railway=adjacent. Either of those would work. Between those two, I'm inclined toward railway=adjacent so the search would be something like highway=(path|footway|cycleway) and railway=(abandoned|adjacent). Another possibility would be to use rail_trail=yes, which would apply to any rail trail. It would be implied by a non-motor-vehicle highway= tag and railway=abandoned, but could always be specified to be unambiguous. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
