Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum
Could one just copy the whole proposal text from the wiki into the forum vote post, or is there some sort of limitation to that? On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 2:30 PM Cartographer10 via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback, good points. > > 1) That people don't reply to a post doesn't mean they don't have an > opinion. The new forum for example allows to give emoticon reactions. This > means that people don't need to comment but a simple thumps up or down is > enough to express their opinion. Making the voting more accessible means > that even the silent people have a change to participate in this community > vote. > > 2) That poll was not made public. On a public vote you see the usernames > below the different options. > > 3) If you see who voted for what, you can also see who commented. Besides, > by using thumps up, users can agree with other people their reactions > instead of replying with the same comment or "Same reasoning as user xx" > > 4) That is a valid point. I don't have a clear answer to that right now. > > > Greetings, > > Vincent > > > > 24 sep. 2022 10:47 van > tagging_at_openstreetmap_org_seblajk...@simplelogin.co: > > 1) "The most popular vote on OSM wiki had about 130 votes. > This is really low considering the amount of mappers present in the > OpenStreetMap community" > > how many people commented/voted on the most popular thread on > OpenStreetMap community forum? > > 2) https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 > how can I see who voted for what? > > 3) https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 > strongly encourages voting without comment, further moving it > from commenting with feedback to just a pure vote > > Is there a mode that requires and records comments from "no" votes? > > 4) It divorces proposal content and vote making more likely that > people will vote without even looking at proposal > > 5) Yes, it is nicer than OSM wiki interface > > Sep 24, 2022, 09:37 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Move_proposal_voting_from_wiki_to_the_new_forum > > Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. > > Greetings, > > Vincent > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum
Thanks for the feedback, good points. 1) That people don't reply to a post doesn't mean they don't have an opinion. The new forum for example allows to give emoticon reactions. This means that people don't need to comment but a simple thumps up or down is enough to express their opinion. Making the voting more accessible means that even the silent people have a change to participate in this community vote. 2) That poll was not made public. On a public vote you see the usernames below the different options. 3) If you see who voted for what, you can also see who commented. Besides, by using thumps up, users can agree with other people their reactions instead of replying with the same comment or "Same reasoning as user xx" 4) That is a valid point. I don't have a clear answer to that right now. Greetings, Vincent 24 sep. 2022 10:47 van tagging_at_openstreetmap_org_seblajk...@simplelogin.co: > 1) "The most popular vote on OSM wiki had about 130 votes. > This is really low considering the amount of mappers present in the > OpenStreetMap community" > > how many people commented/voted on the most popular thread on > OpenStreetMap community forum? > > 2) > https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 > how can I see who voted for what? > > 3) > https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 > strongly encourages voting without comment, further moving it > from commenting with feedback to just a pure vote > > Is there a mode that requires and records comments from "no" votes? > > 4) It divorces proposal content and vote making more likely that > people will vote without even looking at proposal > > 5) Yes, it is nicer than OSM wiki interface > > Sep 24, 2022, 09:37 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > >> Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Move_proposal_voting_from_wiki_to_the_new_forum >> >> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Vincent >> > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum
What about bridging them together? On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:00 PM Yves via Tagging wrote: > > > > Le 24 septembre 2022 10:47:53 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > a écrit : > >3) https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 > >strongly encourages voting without comment, further moving it > >from commenting with feedback to just a pure vote > > > >Is there a mode that requires and records comments from "no" votes? > > > >4) It divorces proposal content and vote making more likely that > >people will vote without even looking at proposal > > > > 3) and 4) above are serious arguments. > > I would be cautious about voting: the wiki proposal process is a wiki + > tagging list process which has certainly its flaws, and that is sanctioned in > some way by voting on the wiki. > I think the new community site should be more integrated in the process > before talking about voting. > Yves > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum
Le 24 septembre 2022 10:47:53 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : >3) https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 >strongly encourages voting without comment, further moving it >from commenting with feedback to just a pure vote > >Is there a mode that requires and records comments from "no" votes? > >4) It divorces proposal content and vote making more likely that >people will vote without even looking at proposal > 3) and 4) above are serious arguments. I would be cautious about voting: the wiki proposal process is a wiki + tagging list process which has certainly its flaws, and that is sanctioned in some way by voting on the wiki. I think the new community site should be more integrated in the process before talking about voting. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum
1) "The most popular vote on OSM wiki had about 130 votes. This is really low considering the amount of mappers present in the OpenStreetMap community" how many people commented/voted on the most popular thread on OpenStreetMap community forum? 2) https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 how can I see who voted for what? 3) https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/votes-on-discourse/508 strongly encourages voting without comment, further moving it from commenting with feedback to just a pure vote Is there a mode that requires and records comments from "no" votes? 4) It divorces proposal content and vote making more likely that people will vote without even looking at proposal 5) Yes, it is nicer than OSM wiki interface Sep 24, 2022, 09:37 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Move_proposal_voting_from_wiki_to_the_new_forum > > Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. > > Greetings, > > Vincent > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum
Move proposal voting from wiki to the new forum https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Move_proposal_voting_from_wiki_to_the_new_forum Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. Greetings, Vincent ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
