On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> That's exactly what I was thinking about. Any chance this will find
> its way into JOSM any time soon?
Potlatch2 and JOSM are completely separate codebases, written in
different languages (Flex/ActionScript vs Java). So, it wouldn't be
tri
2012/5/9 Steve Bennett :
> There is a coming enhancement for Potlatch 2 that does something like
> this. It's still waiting to be reviewed. It's actually a bit more
> streamlined: you select the intersection node, move the mouse to where
> the roundabout should be, press 'A', and voila. It even sor
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> I am not aware of a plugin, but you can draw a way with 2 nodes
> (diameter) and hit "SHIFT+O", this will create a circle (you can set
> the default node amount for the circle in advanced preferences). You'd
> then tag this correctly, en
2012/5/9 Anthony :
> It's also what the wiki tells us to do (in some places): "Small
> roundabouts are just represented as a node which is tagged
> highway=mini_roundabout."
> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout)
Hm.. ok, this is just plain wrong. And what I really like
2012/5/9 Anthony :
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
>> I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand
>> why we shouldn't tag new minis correctly. Maybe because drawing a
>> circle and tagging it with highway=* and junction=roundabout is more
>> work t
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
>> I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand
>> why we shouldn't tag new minis correctly. Maybe because drawing a
>> circle and tagging it with highway=* and junction
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> There is one annoying complication of the "real" roundabout in comparison
> with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have "cheated" in some cases)
> and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These have to be
> split at
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand
> why we shouldn't tag new minis correctly. Maybe because drawing a
> circle and tagging it with highway=* and junction=roundabout is more
> work than simply placing a node
2012/5/9 Pieren :
> In my country, we have a large consensus about this : we do not split
> roundabouts for routes. Data consumers should manage the case.
Around here we do split roundabouts for routes (as we don't want to
have a route on a way part where it isn't). Data consumers should
manage t
2012/5/9 Volker Schmidt :
> There is one annoying complication of the "real" roundabout in comparison
> with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have "cheated" in some cases)
> and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These have to be
> split at every roundabout into two hal
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> The splitting of the roundabout for the route relations is also causing a
> lot of unintentional "vandalism", where mappers add a roundabout, and do not
> check for the existence of routes. I often do not add roundabouts (in
> cities) becau
2012/5/9 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> I am not aware of a plugin, but you can draw a way with 2 nodes
> (diameter) and hit "SHIFT+O", this will create a circle (you can set
> the default node amount for the circle in advanced preferences). You'd
> then tag this correctly, ensure that it points in the ri
There is one annoying complication of the "real" roundabout in comparison
with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have "cheated" in some
cases) and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These
have to be split at every roundabout into two halves with role "forward".
>From tha
2012/5/9 Martin Vonwald :
> I guess(!) the discussion is so complicated, because some people
> misinterpreted for whatever reason a mini-roundabout with a small
> roundabout, tagged it as mini and now don't want to fix all their
> existing tags.
+1
> Does a plugin for JOSM exist, which replaces
I guess(!) the discussion is so complicated, because some people
misinterpreted for whatever reason a mini-roundabout with a small
roundabout, tagged it as mini and now don't want to fix all their
existing tags.
I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand
why we shouldn't
I don't see why this discussion is so complicated.
OSM tags are based on British English terms for historic reasons.
In that contest there is a clean-cut distinction between a roundabout and a
mini-roundabout:
Quote from Wikipedia: "Mini-roundabouts can be a painted circle or a low
dome but must be
The problems with this tag are the same with most tags. The history
goes something like:
1) The original creator has a very specific real-world object in mind:
painted roundabout patterns on intersections in their local area
2) Other people in the local area recognise this real-world concept
and a
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Philip Barnes wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 13:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:
>> > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to
>> > call it anything else, since the city just dug
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 13:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:
> > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to
> > call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the
> > existing intersection, buil
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 3:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:
>>>
>>> http://g.co/maps/hnbp9
>>
>> All three are roundabouts, yes.
>
> How are you going to properly map the first one? There is no channeliza
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:
> So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to
> call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the
> existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree:
>
> http://g.co/maps/e2g
>> So, you're suggesting we stop mapping nontraversable, hard medians?
>> Because that's what it sounds like.
>
>
> Get your ears checked.
Not necessary, I'm not the one suggesting node tagging is a substitute for
mapping a nontraversible median.
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On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual
>> roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o)
>
>
> You're assuming that each real-world situation has only one
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars II
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout.
>>
>>
>> I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability o
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout.
I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability or vertical
clearance requirements the wiki's had since the tag was created in the
wiki, sure.
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On May 7, 2012 7:06 AM, "Nathan Edgars II" wrote:
>
> On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
>>>
>>> I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest:
>>> http://g.co/maps/w7mnr
>>
>>
>> That's not a mini, though, since you can'
The difference between a roundabout and a mini-roundabout is the
center: you can - and in fact are allowed to under certain
circumstances - drive straight over the island in the middle of a
mini-roundabout. You better not try this on a roundabout. ;-)
For a more detailed explanation see
http://en.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Same here. I'm ignoring this "wiki-fiddling":
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout&diff=747981&oldid=689543
Both edits you mention seem to agree that the island is traversable in
a mini roundabou
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
> I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest:
> http://g.co/maps/w7mnr
That's not a mini, though, since you can't just drive over the island.
Here's an eponymous example of a mini roundabout:
http://goo.gl/6Qswf
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real
> mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA.
> http://g.co/maps/afh8m
I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest:
http://g.co/maps/w7mnr
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