Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

The problem ???

A 'show' is an event.

Assume that the place is tagged correctly.

How would an event be tagged?

I think for me the best fit is as a node - that sits within the area 
where it is held.

The some tags such as;
event:date=easter/xmass/25 Dec/*
event:function=anual_show/agricultrial_show/fair/*
name=*
operator=*

etc.
This would allow for more than one event in the same area. If the tags 
were under some physical feature then having more than one event could 
produce problems.




On 29/2/20 9:34 am, John Sturdy wrote:
I'd call such a place a "fairground" or "showground", but I'm not sure 
whether it would come under "tourism", "leisure", or "amenity".  I'm 
not so keen on "landuse" for it, as the land may also be used for 
something else.  A particular example is the Cappamore Agricultural 
Show in Ireland; its location is given as "Showgrounds, Ballyvoreen, 
Cappamore, Co. Limerick" but it looks like for most of the year it is 
normal farmland.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:37 PM Jarek Piórkowski > wrote:


On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> These shows do take place at a permanent site.
>
> They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.
>
> The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually
around the same time each year.
>
> They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British
culture.

I also wish for a settled tag for a regular, locally important event
that is repeatedly or always held at a given site.

I have tagged location of one such in Canada with landuse=fairground
but this doesn't seem perfect and landuse key doesn't logically lend
itself well to specifying details about the events that might be
taking place there. A lot of fairgrounds in Canada end up being tagged
as a park for lack of a better description.

See also related discussion in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[John Sturdy]

I'd call such a place a "fairground" or "showground", but I'm not sure
whether it would come under "tourism", "leisure", or "amenity".  I'm not so
keen on "landuse" for it, as the land may also be used for something else.
A particular example is the Cappamore Agricultural Show in Ireland; its
location is given as "Showgrounds, Ballyvoreen, Cappamore, Co. Limerick"
but it looks like for most of the year it is normal farmland.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:37 PM Jarek Piórkowski 
wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > These shows do take place at a permanent site.
> >
> > They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.
> >
> > The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the
> same time each year.
> >
> > They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British culture.
>
> I also wish for a settled tag for a regular, locally important event
> that is repeatedly or always held at a given site.
>
> I have tagged location of one such in Canada with landuse=fairground
> but this doesn't seem perfect and landuse key doesn't logically lend
> itself well to specifying details about the events that might be
> taking place there. A lot of fairgrounds in Canada end up being tagged
> as a park for lack of a better description.
>
> See also related discussion in
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents
>
> --Jarek
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[John Willis via Tagging]

> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> this would interfere the least with existing mapping. 
> I think existing mapping would ignore the tagging completely.

If people are tagging for the renderer by naming Landuse features or amenities 
the name of the festival or event, then they are interfering with proper 
mapping. 

If I draw a big sand polygon out in the desert and name it “Burning Man” - it 
really isn’t a sandy area named that. There isn’t a park named “Summer 
Festival” A scheme that integrates with existing mapping would cause the least 
mapping for the renderer. 

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[John Willis via Tagging]

> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why limited to outdoor only?

Because then we would just be mapping events held inside event halls. 

They are not worth mapping because they do not alter the OSM data. 

If a farmland becomes a parking lot, if a road becomes a pedestrian road, if a 
stage suddenly is built in a park - well, those are mappable. 

Mapping a convention center’s schedule requires no change in the map. 

ComicCon in San Diego is probably the biggest event of the year there - yet 
there are no real changes to the map. The San Diego Marathon (?)  closes a 
section of freeway, and several major roads. 

One requires mapping changes, one doesn’t. 

If the point is to map just event locations, then my idea is wrong. If the 
point is to map seasonal changes to OSM, then “outdoor” events seem to be the 
only ones that could alter the map - from Sunday’s farmer’s markets to 
marathons to Burning Man. 

Otherwise every event venue is going to be covered with 40 pins mapping a 
schedule.

My work, a private High school, holds an annual entrance test where 3000 
students come to take the entrance exam. It is a big disruption in traffic on 
the day and the nearby park is full of students. It’s well known in our city. 

Yet it requires no changes to OSM. Is that something we should map?  

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

Some questions... and observations.


On 28/2/20 10:48 am, John Willis via Tagging wrote:

I can’t see why we can’t create a simple tourism=outdoor_event pin at the 
location of the event and list it’s time in something like
event=seasonal/ date / existing time mapping, and could use admin_level for 
scale - and use additional tags ina relation for larger events or micromapping.


Why limited to outdoor only?



we have huge city / regional summer festivals in Japan that are held in the same place on 
the same day every year (some on the same calandar date "august 1-3" or on the 
same “first friday-sunday in August”. It would be easy to map the boundary and location 
of amenities and the extent of closures of the roads for the events, as they haven’t 
changed in decades.

A simple pin might be just fine for small seasonal outdoor events , mapping the 
extended details of the event should be expanded into a relation, such as a 
boarder of the known area (role=boundary), especially since for many outdoor 
events the areas and roads are “normal” most of the year.


Where an area has more than one event? Humm each one could be a separate 
relation with the same members.



normally mapped Ways & areas could be tagged with 
outdoor_event:highway=pedestrian or outdoor_event:amenity=parking (or whatever it 
is during the event) to show their role during the event - yet be mapped normally 
the rest of the time -  and added as regular members of the relation.
this would interfere the least with existing mapping.


I think existing mapping would ignore the tagging completely.



the tag scheme outdoor_event:foo=bar could be used on new pins/ways/areas to 
map any other “permanent” items of the event (stages, pavillions, parking, 
toilets, paths, etc) that are normally not present.

this would keep the “event” pobjects out of the regular map data until the 
event date could trigger the changed rendering if they wanted to support it. If 
renderers ignored that extended data, they could still render the tourism=event 
pin with the name of the event easily (and the boundary as well) - which would 
probably be enough for most events.


Renders will do what they want to do. Tagging should just present the data, 
hopefully in a usable way for both mappers and renders.

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[John Willis via Tagging]

I can’t see why we can’t create a simple tourism=outdoor_event pin at the 
location of the event and list it’s time in something like
event=seasonal/ date / existing time mapping, and could use admin_level for 
scale - and use additional tags ina relation for larger events or micromapping. 

we have huge city / regional summer festivals in Japan that are held in the 
same place on the same day every year (some on the same calandar date "august 
1-3" or on the same “first friday-sunday in August”. It would be easy to map 
the boundary and location of amenities and the extent of closures of the roads 
for the events, as they haven’t changed in decades.  

A simple pin might be just fine for small seasonal outdoor events , mapping the 
extended details of the event should be expanded into a relation, such as a 
boarder of the known area (role=boundary), especially since for many outdoor 
events the areas and roads are “normal” most of the year. 

normally mapped Ways & areas could be tagged with 
outdoor_event:highway=pedestrian or outdoor_event:amenity=parking (or whatever 
it is during the event) to show their role during the event - yet be mapped 
normally the rest of the time -  and added as regular members of the relation. 
this would interfere the least with existing mapping. 

the tag scheme outdoor_event:foo=bar could be used on new pins/ways/areas to 
map any other “permanent” items of the event (stages, pavillions, parking, 
toilets, paths, etc) that are normally not present. 

this would keep the “event” pobjects out of the regular map data until the 
event date could trigger the changed rendering if they wanted to support it. If 
renderers ignored that extended data, they could still render the tourism=event 
pin with the name of the event easily (and the boundary as well) - which would 
probably be enough for most events. 


Javbw


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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Philip Barnes]

On Wednesday, 26 February 2020, Marc Gemis wrote:
> What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of
> the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1]
> The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the
> rest of the year, although it hosts some smaller yearly events as
> well.
> The festival started as a one-day festival, but is now spread over 2
> weekends, typically the last 2 weekends of July and attracts more than
> 400.000 participants from all over the world (spread over the 2
> weekends).
> The camping site for the music festival is spread over the meadows in
> the neighbouring villages. Should those be mapped as well?
> 
> regards
> 
> m.
> 
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowland_(festival)

The big music festival in the UK is Glastonbury. The festival is not mapped as 
most of the time it is a farm.

However Worthy Farm is mapped in some detail and can be found in OSM quite 
easily.

Phil (trigpoint)



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> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jarek Piórkowski  wrote:
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> > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > These shows do take place at a permanent site.
> > >
> > > They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.
> > >
> > > The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the 
> > > same time each year.
> > >
> > > They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British culture.
> >
> > I also wish for a settled tag for a regular, locally important event
> > that is repeatedly or always held at a given site.
> >
> > I have tagged location of one such in Canada with landuse=fairground
> > but this doesn't seem perfect and landuse key doesn't logically lend
> > itself well to specifying details about the events that might be
> > taking place there. A lot of fairgrounds in Canada end up being tagged
> > as a park for lack of a better description.
> >
> > See also related discussion in
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents
> >
> > --Jarek
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Marc Gemis]

What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of
the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1]
The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the
rest of the year, although it hosts some smaller yearly events as
well.
The festival started as a one-day festival, but is now spread over 2
weekends, typically the last 2 weekends of July and attracts more than
400.000 participants from all over the world (spread over the 2
weekends).
The camping site for the music festival is spread over the meadows in
the neighbouring villages. Should those be mapped as well?

regards

m.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowland_(festival)

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jarek Piórkowski  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > These shows do take place at a permanent site.
> >
> > They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.
> >
> > The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the same 
> > time each year.
> >
> > They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British culture.
>
> I also wish for a settled tag for a regular, locally important event
> that is repeatedly or always held at a given site.
>
> I have tagged location of one such in Canada with landuse=fairground
> but this doesn't seem perfect and landuse key doesn't logically lend
> itself well to specifying details about the events that might be
> taking place there. A lot of fairgrounds in Canada end up being tagged
> as a park for lack of a better description.
>
> See also related discussion in
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents
>
> --Jarek
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Andy Townsend]

On 25/02/2020 22:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is 
held once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track, with a 
description "whatever race held the first weekend of October".



The more normal mapping approach is like in Singapore I think:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/421263#map=16/1.2906/103.8580

is a relation that makes sense whenever in the year it is.

Some parts of that are highway=raceway:

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/R4c

and as far as I can see that's correct - certainly the pit lane approach 
_looks_ like a raceway even when there are no cars on it.


Best Regards,

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

On 26/2/20 9:57 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:



On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 08:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:


But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor
race is held once a year, but they are mapped as a motor
racing track, with a description "whatever race held the first
weekend of October".

Is it rarely used race track or is it normal road/field used once
a year for racing?

First should be taggable, in the second case I would probably
delete it.


The cases I'm thinking of are normal city streets ~11 months of the 
year, which for 1 month are then closed off, fenced, painted etc for 
Formula 1 & similar high-level street-racing events, which will 
actually only last for ~4 days!



There is also the solar car 'race' from Darwin to Adelaide. Uses the 
normal road and is open to the public while the 'race' is on. Most of 
the 'track' is fixed as there is only really one road to use. There can 
be variations from year to year where there are alternatives but the 
vast majority of the 'circuit' is set in place.



The more I think about it an 'event' key looks to be a solution for 
those that want to map such things. Of course renders can chose what to 
do with such things as is their right, but mappers have a right to enter 
data? The data is verifiable, well known locally and significant at 
least locally and in some cases internationally.




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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 08:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held
> once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track, with a
> description "whatever race held the first weekend of October".
>
> Is it rarely used race track or is it normal road/field used once a year
> for racing?
>
> First should be taggable, in the second case I would probably delete it.
>

The cases I'm thinking of are normal city streets ~11 months of the year,
which for 1 month are then closed off, fenced, painted etc for Formula 1 &
similar high-level street-racing events, which will actually only last for
~4 days!

  Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

On 26/2/20 9:35 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:




Feb 25, 2020, 23:16 by graemefi...@gmail.com:





On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events,
but we do map places where events take (regularly) place.


But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race
is held once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track,
with a description "whatever race held the first weekend of October".

Should they then be deleted?


Is it rarely used race track or is it normal road/field used once a 
year for racing?


First should be taggable, in the second case I would probably delete it.



For Bathurst:

It was a 'normal road' some decades ago. Since then it has been 
'upgraded' with hi traction surfacing, armco, runoff areas, chicanes 
etc. When not being used as a race track it is open to the public for 
normal use (the cops patrol it to catch those that try to race on it).


It is readily recognized as a race track. As such I would tag it 
highway=track access=permissive, surface=paved and what ever the speed 
limit is.


More than one event (groups of races) occurs on it every year. And there 
lies the problem ... tagging the regularly held events.



https://www.mount-panorama.com.au/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathurst_1000

https://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/


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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

On 26/2/20 1:35 am, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

These shows do take place at a permanent site.

They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.

The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the same 
time each year.

They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British culture.

I also wish for a settled tag for a regular, locally important event
that is repeatedly or always held at a given site.

I have tagged location of one such in Canada with landuse=fairground
but this doesn't seem perfect and landuse key doesn't logically lend
itself well to specifying details about the events that might be
taking place there. A lot of fairgrounds in Canada end up being tagged
as a park for lack of a better description.



Two different things;

What the land is used for the majority of the time. A 'landuse'.

What event regularly takes place here. An 'event'.

OSM already has a 'landuse' key. Is it time for an 'event' key?



See also related discussion in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents



Confuses the land use with the event?



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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

Feb 25, 2020, 23:16 by graemefi...@gmail.com:

>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
>
>> generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map 
>> places where events take (regularly) place.
>>
>
> But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held 
> once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track, with a description 
> "whatever race held the first weekend of October".
>
> Should they then be deleted?
>

Is it rarely used race track or is it normal road/field used once a year for 
racing?

First should be taggable, in the second case I would probably delete it.
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map
> places where events take (regularly) place.
>

But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held
once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track, with a
description "whatever race held the first weekend of October".

Should they then be deleted?

  Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Jarek Piórkowski]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> These shows do take place at a permanent site.
>
> They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.
>
> The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the same 
> time each year.
>
> They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British culture.

I also wish for a settled tag for a regular, locally important event
that is repeatedly or always held at a given site.

I have tagged location of one such in Canada with landuse=fairground
but this doesn't seem perfect and landuse key doesn't logically lend
itself well to specifying details about the events that might be
taking place there. A lot of fairgrounds in Canada end up being tagged
as a park for lack of a better description.

See also related discussion in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

On 25/2/20 6:09 pm, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Temporal events really do not belong in OSM. I can see a good argument 
for Parkruns (the route exists in between runs and is used every 
week), or for annual shows held on a permanent showground, Christmas 
markets less so.


Delete it.



These shows do take place at a permanent site.

They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted.

The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the 
same time each year.


They are part of Australian culture, and it would seem British culture.

If some events are allowed, then why are others of seemingly equal worth 
to be deleted?



An example of varying dates, a rodeo rather than a 'show';

http://www.isarodeo.com.au/about-us/future-dates/

6 - 9 August 2020

12 - 15 August 2021

11- 14 August 2022





On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 06:45 Graeme Fitzpatrick, > wrote:



On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 13:47, Joseph Eisenberg
mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

But this event seems to be similar to an American “county
fair”, maybe? There is entertainment, music, food, expositions
of local crafts and produce, equestrian events, etc, lasting a
week or so?


All that, but "small" town are shows usually only for a weekend,
sometimes only 1 day, sometimes stretched out to a 3-day long weekend.

Each (most?) Oz state capital city also has an annual "Show"
(under a variety of names) which is the same again on a grand
scale, which lasts for ~10 days

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Jez Nicholson]

Absolutely, I have no wish to delete Chistmas markets. A strong case has
been made for their cultural significance in Germany.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:25 AM Martin Koppenhoefer 
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>
> sent from a phone
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> On 25. Feb 2020, at 08:10, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
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> Christmas markets less so.
>
> Delete it.
>
>
>
> christmas features are quite established for example in Germany, have a
> look at taginfo: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/xmas:feature
>
> I can understand it is an edge case, but quite some mappers love to map
> these, so my plea would be for keeping them. There would probably be more
> harm in deleting them and upsetting the mappers than tolerating the tags.
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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 25. Feb 2020, at 08:10, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
> 
> Christmas markets less so.
> 
> Delete it.


christmas features are quite established for example in Germany, have a look at 
taginfo: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/xmas:feature

I can understand it is an edge case, but quite some mappers love to map these, 
so my plea would be for keeping them. There would probably be more harm in 
deleting them and upsetting the mappers than tolerating the tags.

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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Jez Nicholson]

Temporal events really do not belong in OSM. I can see a good argument for
Parkruns (the route exists in between runs and is used every week), or for
annual shows held on a permanent showground, Christmas markets less so.

Delete it.


On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 06:45 Graeme Fitzpatrick, 
wrote:

>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 13:47, Joseph Eisenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> But this event seems to be similar to an American “county fair”, maybe?
>> There is entertainment, music, food, expositions of local crafts and
>> produce, equestrian events, etc, lasting a week or so?
>>
>
> All that, but "small" town are shows usually only for a weekend, sometimes
> only 1 day, sometimes stretched out to a 3-day long weekend.
>
> Each (most?) Oz state capital city also has an annual "Show" (under a
> variety of names) which is the same again on a grand scale, which lasts for
> ~10 days
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map 
places where events take (regularly) place.

Cheers Martin 



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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 13:47, Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> But this event seems to be similar to an American “county fair”, maybe?
> There is entertainment, music, food, expositions of local crafts and
> produce, equestrian events, etc, lasting a week or so?
>

All that, but "small" town are shows usually only for a weekend, sometimes
only 1 day, sometimes stretched out to a 3-day long weekend.

Each (most?) Oz state capital city also has an annual "Show" (under a
variety of names) which is the same again on a grand scale, which lasts for
~10 days

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Andrew Harvey]

If it's on the same day every year on a predictable schedule, I guess it
could be added, but if not I'd say no OSM isn't the best place for that
kind of data.

We don't map every single "Olympics" or "World Championship" sporting
events.

At the same time I've mapped Parkrun's which only popup weekly, but it's on
a predictable schedule and is surveyable and it's weekly
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4523100189

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 14:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> A mapper has entered data concerning an annual show.
>
> There was no main tag to it, so I have re-tagged it as
>
> Node: Cobargo Show (7107663569)
>  "name"="Cobargo Show"
>  "opening_hours"="Annual Show, see website for times."
>  "tourism"="attraction"
>  "website"="https://www.cobargoshow.org.au/;
>  "operator"="Cobargo A. P Society"
>
>
> It is a regular event (except for fires, floods, world wars and droughts
> in the past).
>
> Any thoughts?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

On 25/2/20 2:44 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
The tag tourism=attraction is poorly defined, but it is mainly used 
for permanent features, places that are year-round (or at least 
summer/winter season) attractions.


I think it would be better to use a more specific tag for an annual 
event which lasts for days or weeks only.


If it is an annual musical festival, then it could be 
tourism=music_festival for example


But this event seems to be similar to an American “county fair”, 
maybe? There is entertainment, music, food, expositions of local 
crafts and produce, equestrian events, etc, lasting a week or so?



Similar to that, yes.

They are tourist attractions in the general sense.

Humm but tourism=attraction "is not a main tag and should be combined 
with some feature".


There lies a problem, a 'show' is not a physical feature but an event.

Attaching it to the recreational ground would give it the physical feature.

However there can be more than one event on a physical feature, 
separating them up would be challenging.



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Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

[Joseph Eisenberg]

The tag tourism=attraction is poorly defined, but it is mainly used for
permanent features, places that are year-round (or at least summer/winter
season) attractions.

I think it would be better to use a more specific tag for an annual event
which lasts for days or weeks only.

If it is an annual musical festival, then it could be
tourism=music_festival for example

But this event seems to be similar to an American “county fair”, maybe?
There is entertainment, music, food, expositions of local crafts and
produce, equestrian events, etc, lasting a week or so?

Joseph
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[Tagging] Annual Shows

[Warin]

Hi,


A mapper has entered data concerning an annual show.

There was no main tag to it, so I have re-tagged it as

Node: Cobargo Show (7107663569)
    "name"="Cobargo Show"
    "opening_hours"="Annual Show, see website for times."
    "tourism"="attraction"
    "website"="https://www.cobargoshow.org.au/;
    "operator"="Cobargo A. P Society"


It is a regular event (except for fires, floods, world wars and droughts 
in the past).


Any thoughts?


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