Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/25 Peter Wendorff > building=yes (or whatever value you want), combined with shop=* - is > such an object primiraly a shop or a building? (and no: it's entirely > valid and common usage to tag both on the building outline) > Sorry for picking this out of your post, with which I generall

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi André, Martin wrote his objections to my interpretation of leisure and sports and why these tags in particular don't fit exactly in the mentioned case, but I'm not sure if he really wanted that to provide as an argument to some kind of qualitative order of tags to be features or attributes. Let

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25/lug/2013 um 15:55 schrieb André Pirard : > I'm glad that you come back to the heart of the matter which is to know > whether a key describes an object or an attribute of an object and that > the keys definitions in the wiki should indicate that, so that everyone agree > and make a c

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-25 10:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2013/7/25 Peter Wendorff > on a side note some of the values above like swimming are currently under the sp

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/25 Peter Wendorff > > on a side note some of the values above like swimming are currently > under the sport key, not leisure. > > Typical values for leisure are pitch, track, stadium, marina, > playground, park, garden... > well, a pool that allows swimming, but is not useful for competiti

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
Surely Peter's point (which I agree with) is that leisure and sport are two different things, and should not be seen as mutually exclusive or as competitors to each other. There are many sports which (can) take place in a (suitable) swimming pool (swimming, diving, water polo etc), but not all po

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Andreas Labres
On 25.07.13 09:33, Peter Wendorff wrote: > a pool that allows swimming leisure=swimming_pool (more than 291.000!) is prevailing, I would say. /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-25 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Martin, Am 24.07.2013 23:55, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > Am 24/lug/2013 um 20:42 schrieb Peter Wendorff : > >> natural=water, leisure=fishing (I think that was your example) >> natural=water, leisure=swimming >> natural=water|heath|grassland|..., leisure=nature_reserve >> natural=water

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 24/lug/2013 um 20:42 schrieb Peter Wendorff : > natural=water, leisure=fishing (I think that was your example) > natural=water, leisure=swimming > natural=water|heath|grassland|..., leisure=nature_reserve > natural=water, leisure=wildlife_hide on a side note some of the values above like sw

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-24 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi André, I agree with you that this Keepright error message is not useful, but my "solution" is different from yours: I tend to think that KeepRight is wrong here. Something CAN be natural=water and leisure=whatever in common - and why not? Your example is perfectly valid, and others are as well.

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-24 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-24 16:54, Ronnie Soak wrote : > > On 24 Jul 2013 16:44, "Janko Mihelić" > wrote > > > > > I don't think we should be so inflexible with the "object vs > attribute". It depends on the context. > > > > If you are a data consumer, and are making a list of all addre

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-24 Thread Ronnie Soak
On 24 Jul 2013 16:44, "Janko Mihelić" wrote > > I don't think we should be so inflexible with the "object vs attribute". It depends on the context. > > If you are a data consumer, and are making a list of all addresses in a town, then the addr:housenumber + addr:street is your object, and buildin

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-24 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/7/24 André Pirard > > An object is the physical thing. It's unique. > An attribute is the different forms, usage etc... of the object. It can > be multiple. > I don't think we should be so inflexible with the "object vs attribute". It depends on the context. If you are a data consumer, a

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM, André Pirard wrote: > > In my mind, that tagging should resemble this: > water=basin > natural=no > phishing=yes > leisure=yes (industrial=no) > pay=yes > drinks=yes (to spare a separate amenity object) > talking=no > bicycle=carefully ;-) > Indeed. +1 The sepa

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses ... objects vs attributes

2013-07-23 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-21 14:06, Pieren wrote : On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: Adresses are attributes of physical objects, e.g. a parcel, a house, or a part of a house. Parcels can be merged and deleted, houses can be r