[Tagging] Catering trailers
How should we map roadside catering trailers, that are either left at a fixed location, or brought to the same location every day (or every weekday)? They're a regular part of UK road culture. Typically, they serve bacon rolls, sausages, etc, and tea and coffee, and are usually open from breakfast time until lunchtime; there are also some that serve kebabs, only in the evening. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
On 21/giu/2013, at 12:21, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: How should we map roadside catering trailers, that are either left at a fixed location, or brought to the same location every day (or every weekday)? They're a regular part of UK road culture. Typically, they serve bacon rolls, sausages, etc, and tea and coffee, and are usually open from breakfast time until lunchtime; there are also some that serve kebabs, only in the evening. amenity=fast_food or kiosk? You could add a cuisine tag and maybe something new to express they are in a trailer (e.g. kiosk_type?) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
John, Sounds similar to something we have in the US, commonly called 'food trucks' here. Are these actually trailers though? In other words, are these vehicles self powered, or towed by another vehicle? On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:21 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: How should we map roadside catering trailers, that are either left at a fixed location, or brought to the same location every day (or every weekday)? They're a regular part of UK road culture. Typically, they serve bacon rolls, sausages, etc, and tea and coffee, and are usually open from breakfast time until lunchtime; there are also some that serve kebabs, only in the evening. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Elliott Plack http://about.me/elliottp ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
In the UK they are usually trailers. There are also mobile fish and chip vans which move around. They tend to stop in the same place at the same time each week, and regulars wait for them to arrive. During an evening they will go to several places. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 21/06/2013 12:15 Elliott Plack wrote: John, Sounds similar to something we have in the US, commonly called 'food trucks' here. Are these actually trailers though? In other words, are these vehicles self powered, or towed by another vehicle? On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:21 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: How should we map roadside catering trailers, that are either left at a fixed location, or brought to the same location every day (or every weekday)? They're a regular part of UK road culture. Typically, they serve bacon rolls, sausages, etc, and tea and coffee, and are usually open from breakfast time until lunchtime; there are also some that serve kebabs, only in the evening. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Elliott Plack http://about.me/elliottp ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
2013/6/21 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk In the UK they are usually trailers. There are also mobile fish and chip vans which move around. They tend to stop in the same place at the same time each week, and regulars wait for them to arrive. During an evening they will go to several places. - opening_hours or maybe presence_times (otherwise you might expect a closed feature outside the usual times, and not a driven-away one) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer - opening_hours or maybe presence_times Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. The ones I'm thinking of mapping are either physically in the form of trailers, but static (i.e they have wheels but don't use them, or may even have had the wheels removed), or are trailers/vans that are taken to the same place every day over a long period (there's one in Cambridge, nicknamed The deathburger van, that's been using the same pitch every evening since I was a student three decades ago, for example). I'm inclined to agree that fish-and-chip vans are too mobile for OSM, although I think we could perhaps map their scheduled stopping points (like a catering version of bus stops). __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
Perhaps we need a tag to indicate a catering vehicle location, as opposed to the vehicle itself? Here in Nashville, TN, some of the downtown food truck locations have street parking spaces that have signs specifying food truck parking only. In addition to tagging the parking restrictions, it would be useful to tag when the trucks will actually be present and selling food. Incidentally, while some such vehicles here in Nashville, TN, USA are trailers, the majority are either modified delivery trucks or modified recreational vehicles. Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer - opening_hours or maybe presence_times Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Perhaps we need a tag to indicate a catering vehicle location, as opposed to the vehicle itself? The idea of highway=bus_stop with cuisine=hot_dogs amuses me, but I don't think it's really the right tagging. :-) __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
On 21/giu/2013, at 14:30, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. I don't see a problem with this as long as the times are predictable. E.g. in my hometown there is a market (grocery, meat, cheese, etc.) two specific days a week. The same merchants also sell with their same vehicles at other places on different days, but that isn't a problem at all as long as you specify when the market is in this place. The only difference I see with respect to these trailers, that there is only one and not a lot of them. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
2013/6/21 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com On 21/giu/2013, at 14:30, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. I don't see a problem with this as long as the times are predictable. E.g. in my hometown there is a market (grocery, meat, cheese, etc.) two specific days a week. The same merchants also sell with their same vehicles at other places on different days, but that isn't a problem at all as long as you specify when the market is in this place. The only difference I see with respect to these trailers, that there is only one and not a lot of them. and, as stated above by John, it is not the trailer that we map in first place, but the service it offers (at certain times), and the subtag would also be simply further detail where the service is offered, it would not necessary have to be interpreted as the trailer, but service is in a trailer. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
Am 21.06.2013 14:38, schrieb John Sturdy: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm inclined to agree that fish-and-chip vans are too mobile for OSM, although I think we could perhaps map their scheduled stopping points (like a catering version of bus stops). Probably we should think about something like place to be used regularly for... type of tags. Similar things come to mind: - markets that take place at the same location every week: These are clearly different from permanent markets; as e.g. six days a week there's nothing visible about the market. - seasonal beaches, where e.g. the lifeguards tower and toilets are uninstalled during autumn/winter. It's a controlled beach for bathing/swimming regularly, but not always. I'm sure there's more of this kind, but the scheme is the same, and it differs from - one-time stuff (which we usually don't map) - peranent structures (like theme parks, restaurants, or even fish-and-chip-restaurants in a permanent building), even with opening_hours attached. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
Am 21.06.2013 14:49, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: On 21/giu/2013, at 14:30, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Could we avoid moving features in OSM ? Otherwise the same object, a trailer, will be mapped in several places. I don't see a problem with this as long as the times are predictable. E.g. in my hometown there is a market (grocery, meat, cheese, etc.) two specific days a week. The same merchants also sell with their same vehicles at other places on different days, but that isn't a problem at all as long as you specify when the market is in this place. The only difference I see with respect to these trailers, that there is only one and not a lot of them. +1 But how to map them? Even if it's predictable, that a particular trailer is there every monday: how to state that it's not there the other six days a week? Sure: opening_hours would ensure nobody tries to get something to eat there, but what about: Let's meet at the hot-dog trailer there on Tuesday, it's on the map or go straight and then turn left after you've passed the fish-and-chips trailer. Both is quite feasible for any restaurant or fast-food place, as long as these are there permanently, but that's not the case in what we're talking about here, and this difference can't even be interpreted out of the data if one would like to do so. On top of that I'm sure to remove something like that if it's mapped there but I don't see it - and if there's nothing that it's not visible when closed. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Catering trailers
highway=roachcoach_stop? On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:47 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Perhaps we need a tag to indicate a catering vehicle location, as opposed to the vehicle itself? The idea of highway=bus_stop with cuisine=hot_dogs amuses me, but I don't think it's really the right tagging. :-) __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
