Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Jan 11, 2019, 4:29 AM by jo...@mac.com: > I was on the OSM-carto gorup and was **specifically** told to go to the > mailing lists to discuss the creating and modification of tags, as the gitub > discussions were how to implement and render already established tagging > schema.  > It was prob

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Stopped reading here and Unsubscribing. > You are not funny, and I don’t need the stress that this mailing list brings. > > Good luck with tagging & Bye 👋 How unprofessional and dismissive. For someone making tools that implement ta

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 00:15, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > But with great power comes great responsibility, if you forgive the > stale quote. And while I'm not opposed to doing some sanity checking > (i.e. not automatically supporting poorly thought out tags just because > they are common), I do feel t

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Jan 9, 2019, 11:59 PM by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 10/01/19 05:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Jan 8, 2019, 10:33 PM by >> graemefi...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 23:36, Simon Poole <>>> si...@poole.ch >>>

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Hi > Am Do., 10. Jan. 2019 um 02:33 Uhr schrieb Bryan Housel : > > On Jan 9, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stefan Keller wrote: ... > > communication. We all need patience with Wikis and it's curation and > > users - like we e.g. have patience with when we're discussing things > > about iD presets or iD func

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> On Jan 9, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stefan Keller wrote: > > Hi, > > As one of the originators of this thread I'd like to second that the > Wiki is important. It's not only a documentation tool but also a > communication. We all need patience with Wikis and it's curation and > users - like we e.g. ha

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Hi, As one of the originators of this thread I'd like to second that the Wiki is important. It's not only a documentation tool but also a communication. We all need patience with Wikis and it's curation and users - like we e.g. have patience with when we're discussing things about iD presets or iD

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On 10/01/19 10:13, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 07.01.19 16:12, Bryan Housel wrote: I encourage everyone to just disregard everything that’s on the wiki and go by what taginfo says as far as how the tags are used and what the accepted values are. The wiki is an invaluable source for understanding

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On 07.01.19 16:12, Bryan Housel wrote: > we can’t use the same key `service=*` to contain both things like `tyres` (a > few thousands) and `driveway` (a few millions). Sorry, but the > `service=tyres` has to go. These two different meanings of 'service=*' would not need to coexist on the same e

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On 10/01/19 05:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Jan 8, 2019, 10:33 PM by graemefi...@gmail.com: On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 23:36, Simon Poole mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in the first place, Agree with you t

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

First, my apologies for sending out a quoted message with no response. I have slapped my own wrist. On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 20:01, Andy Townsend wrote: One of the problems with the wiki is that inherently "the last editor > has the last say" - nuances felt by previous editors to be important can

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On 09/01/2019 19:03, Bryan Housel wrote: It’s not documentation.  It’s just a bunch of prescriptive advice by random people.  Most of the people involved don’t even work on software.  They’re just really into tagging and arguing, and I don’t have time for it. At its worst its that, sure -

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:04 PM Bryan Housel wrote: > It’s not documentation. It’s just a bunch of prescriptive advice by random > people. Most of the people involved don’t even work on software. They’re > just really into tagging and arguing, and I don’t have time for it. Wow, you leave me

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On Wednesday 09 January 2019, Bryan Housel wrote: > [...] Most of the people involved don’t even work on > software. Despite accurate critique of dysfunctional dynamics and developments on the wiki i smell a software development supremacist here. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

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Jan 9, 2019, 8:03 PM by bhou...@gmail.com: > Most of the people involved don’t even work on software. > I thatink that it is not a good minimal requirement to document existing tagging schemes or propose new ones. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@opens

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> On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:39 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Jan 9, 2019, 7:33 PM by bhou...@gmail.com: > On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > Jan 7, 2019, 4:12 PM by bhou...@gmail.com : > And on “the wiki”, I have basica

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 1:28 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: (sorry, the headers are making me lose attribution here..) someone: > It would be nice to be able to store that info - it would allow search for > nearest shop > selling motorbike tyres that would be automatic and take less than second > rat

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Jan 9, 2019, 7:33 PM by bhou...@gmail.com: >> On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Mateusz Konieczny <>> matkoni...@tutanota.com >> >> > wrote: >> Jan 7, 2019, 4:12 PM by >> bhou...@gmail.com >> : >> >>> And on “the wiki”, I have basically given

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> On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Jan 7, 2019, 4:12 PM by bhou...@gmail.com: > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki because it > contains so much wrong information and opinion, and I’m tired of having my > edits reverted. I just recently had another

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Jan 8, 2019, 10:33 PM by graemefi...@gmail.com: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 23:36, Simon Poole <> si...@poole.ch > > > wrote: > >> >> I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail >> in the first place,  >> >> > Agree with you there! > > If the pla

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Jan 7, 2019, 4:12 PM by bhou...@gmail.com: > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki because it > contains so much wrong information and opinion, and I’m tired of having my > edits reverted. I just recently had another issue where we added a traffic > signal tag that wa

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Am 08.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > ... > With current tools there is no tag completion for the individual > values in lists, while the alternative already works. > Value completion has for lists has woked since ages in Vespucci (you normally would use the form interface where yo

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

sent from a phone > On 8. Jan 2019, at 14:35, Simon Poole wrote: > > I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in the > first place, but using a small set of common keys for facilities with similar > purpose has obvious advantages over a multitude of special purpo

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 23:36, Simon Poole wrote: > I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in > the first place, > Agree with you there! If the place is a shop=tyres, isn't that really all that OSM needs to say? After that, isn't it up to "you" to make a simple phon

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Inconsistent tagging is inconsistent tagging, don't think that is really relevant for this discussion, inconsistent tagging schemes however are on topic. I'm not convinced that we really want to model such a level of detail in the first place, but using a small set of common keys for facilities wi

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Am Di., 8. Jan. 2019 um 08:31 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole : > To hypothesize on some of the stuff floating around, obviously there is > a desire to document exactly what kind of stuff a shop sells, so people > have proposed stuff like > > motorcycle:tyres=yes > > service:tyres:car=yes > > service:bicy

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Am 07.01.2019 um 16:12 schrieb Bryan Housel: > ... > On “both is OK”. the `service:vehicle` issue was because we can’t use the > same key `service=*` to contain both things like `tyres` (a few thousands) > and `driveway` (a few millions). Sorry, but the `service=tyres` has to go. > A few thou

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Technically it is both -- taginfo gets statistics from the OSM database, but the descriptions, images, and "recommendations" all come from wiki - e.g. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building#wiki comes from wiki. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:26 PM Bryan Housel wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2019, at 6

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

> On Jan 7, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Doesn’t taginfo use the wiki as the source of tags that are listed? No, taginfo’s source is the actual tag data from the OSM database. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 01:13, Bryan Housel wrote: > > On “both is OK”. the `service:vehicle` issue was because we can’t use the > same key `service=*` to contain both things like `tyres` (a few thousands) > and `driveway` (a few millions). Sorry, but the `service=tyres` has to > go. > Hi Bryan

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Doesn’t taginfo use the wiki as the source of tags that are listed? On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 6:55 AM Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > * Bryan Housel [190107 16:12]: > > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki [..]. > > If something is “not documented on the wiki” that means nothing b

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:13 AM Bryan Housel wrote: > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki because it > contains so much wrong information and opinion, and I’m tired of having my > edits reverted. That's kind of upsetting. Asking as a near-outsider, do you suspect that y

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* Bryan Housel [190107 16:12]: > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki [..]. > If something is “not documented on the wiki” that means nothing because the > wiki is not documentation. That sounds kind of weird, because the Wiki basically only exists to be used for document

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> Just recently the iD Editor maintainer added more multiCombo functions > (like [3]) and presets key (like "service:vehicle" [4]). Both is OK > per se, but the latter preset was undocumented on the Wiki, and > obviously the iD Editor maintainer prefers namespaces over semicolons > for handling mul