I would also tag these things as free text.
The problem space is just too big to encode this in standard tags with a
fixed set of values.
If you can express the problem more specific and even with less words in
free text then in key-value pairs, I would clearly vote for the former.
Especially as a
2014/1/15 Jean-Marc Liotier
> But wherever something can be encoded in an attribute instead of expressed
> in free text, that is where it should be. But, as this conversation
> underlines, there might be a diminishing return in encoding extremely rare
> attributes.
this also with respect to l
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> On 15/01/2014 15:44, Gerald Weber wrote:
>
>> "RS-630 is not passable during the rain season (May to September)"
>>
>
> For other tags such as opening times, periods are encoded - which is
> superior in any case to free text.
Periods a
On 15/01/2014 18:14, Gerald Weber wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Why is the problem in passing along
a few words of helpful and perhaps life-saving advice in free-text?
Especially considering that it may not be possible to convey the exact
meaning by a list of pre-established tag-val
> A tag called traffic_issue which would take free text as value (similar to
>> note)
>>
>> traffic_issue='Road maintained by local 4WD club, passes over sandy inlet
>> that floods at high tide, four inch rocks placed by club restrict access to
>> high clearance vehicles'
>> [..]
>>
>> and of cours
On 15 January 2014 13:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> On 15/01/2014 15:44, Gerald Weber wrote:
>
>> "RS-630 is not passable during the rain season (May to September)"
>>
>
> For other tags such as opening times, periods are encoded - which is
> superior in any case to free text.
>
I've just quote
On 15/01/2014 15:44, Gerald Weber wrote:
"RS-630 is not passable during the rain season (May to September)"
For other tags such as opening times, periods are encoded - which is
superior in any case to free text.
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On 15/01/2014 15:44, Gerald Weber wrote:
[..]
A tag called traffic_issue which would take free text as value
(similar to note)
traffic_issue='Road maintained by local 4WD club, passes over sandy
inlet that floods at high tide, four inch rocks placed by club
restrict access to high clearance
On 15 January 2014 00:39, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> The tag as proposed leaves much to interpretations. But there are a bunch
> of things one can say about a road that are crisp and clear:
>
> covered_at_high_tide
> not_plowed_in_winter
> not_maintained_by_government
> passing_requires_reversing
>
The tag as proposed leaves much to interpretations. But there are a bunch
of things one can say about a road that are crisp and clear:
covered_at_high_tide
not_plowed_in_winter
not_maintained_by_government
passing_requires_reversing
But at some point you break down into prose and write note='Roa
BGNO, you have been following the "Tags useful for rendering of roads in
poor conditions" thread started by Fernando on this same list haven't
you ?
I have created a summary page on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Davo
We hope to reach a consensus on what seems pretty close to what
>Anectotal evidence: while driving around Iceland in a Suzuki Jimny
>(technically a 4x4),
>I would never try to tag that half hour of prose into an OSM key.
Would it not benefit the next driver to know "somebody in a (stock) Jimny got
through" - or didn't? Even for those driving something else.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:47 PM, BGNO BGNO wrote:
> The information which people gave me about the mentioned 20km long
> road was: Yes you can use the road with a regular car if it doesn't
> rain. I think it is practicable to tag that information into OSM. How
> would you tag that based on physic
2014/1/13 Ronnie Soak :
>
>>
>> In contrast, if the information that the road can be passed by off
>> road vehicles is given by local people
>> then it is probably very reliable. It is not interpretation, it is
>> experience.
>
>
> If these local people are somewhat responsible, their answer could
>
> In contrast, if the information that the road can be passed by off
> road vehicles is given by local people
> then it is probably very reliable. It is not interpretation, it is
> experience.
>
If these local people are somewhat responsible, their answer could only be:
"It depends".
As mention
I don't think it is in general possible to derive the trafficability
information from physical models.
In cases like "flooded" it is possible because the model is very
simple and the information needed
(trafficability) can be obtained in a very simple way. The variability
of possible interpretation
Am Montag, den 06.01.2014, 12:29 +0100 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 2014/1/6 Wolfgang Hinsch
>
> > Perhaps the tag 'surface_condition=*' would be more appropriate to
> > describe the state of the surface.
> >
> > A way with surface=cobblestone may have a surface_condition=excellent,
> > neverth
2014/1/6 Wolfgang Hinsch
> Perhaps the tag 'surface_condition=*' would be more appropriate to
> describe the state of the surface.
>
> A way with surface=cobblestone may have a surface_condition=excellent,
> nevertheless it's impassable for bicycles and time consuming for motor cars
>
Then what
On 6 January 2014 08:16, Wolfgang Hinsch wrote:
> Am Montag, den 06.01.2014, 09:44 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO:
> > Isn't smoothness also based on some form of interpretation?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > BGNO
> >
>
I think that the problem lies less with the interpretation but with the
scope of the interpr
Am Montag, den 06.01.2014, 09:44 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO:
> Isn't smoothness also based on some form of interpretation?
>
> Cheers,
> BGNO
>
Yes, you are right. Until now I used smoothness as a term for the state
of the surface. But the real meaning is no source, but depends on the
type of vehic
Isn't smoothness also based on some form of interpretation?
Cheers,
BGNO
2014/1/4 Fernando Trebien :
> How about using smoothness:condition or ford:condition for that?
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Wolfgang Hinsch
> wrote:
>> Am Samstag, den 04.01.2014, 11:19 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO:
>>>
I understand the point you are making. A key "flooded" is already in use:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=flooded
May be we can continue with something based on that one.
Cheers,
BGNO
2014/1/4 Wolfgang Hinsch :
> Please tag what is to be seen "on the ground". If the surface consists
How about using smoothness:condition or ford:condition for that?
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Wolfgang Hinsch wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 04.01.2014, 11:19 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO:
>> We don't have to stick to the term "trafficability". What would be a
>> good alternative?
>>
>> - usability
>> -
Am Samstag, den 04.01.2014, 11:19 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO:
> We don't have to stick to the term "trafficability". What would be a
> good alternative?
>
> - usability
> - passable
> - passability (there is an abandoned proposal suggesting this term)
> - usable_if
> - ???
>
None of them.
I think
We don't have to stick to the term "trafficability". What would be a
good alternative?
- usability
- passable
- passability (there is an abandoned proposal suggesting this term)
- usable_if
- ???
Cheers,
BGNO
2014/1/3 Dave Swarthout wrote:
> Me either, but there it is. I wouldn't give it much c
Me either, but there it is. I wouldn't give it much chance of gathering
world wide approval as a classification term but maybe I'm wrong.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Tod Fitch wrote:
> I didn't think it was a word and my old American dictionary does not have
> it. But my microprint edition
I didn't think it was a word and my old American dictionary does not have it.
But my microprint edition of the Oxford English Dictionary does have it and
lists it use in 1899 regarding how the streets in London were able to carry
traffic. Certainly not a word that I, as an American English speak
On 03/01/14 16:06, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I first reacted in the same way ("is it an English word at all?"). But
then I looked it up on Wikipedia. There it is, since 2006(!), with
correct Google translations in several other languages.
Well, the English wikipedia is also used by people whose f
I first reacted in the same way ("is it an English word at all?"). But then
I looked it up on Wikipedia. There it is, since 2006(!), with correct
Google translations in several other languages.
On 3 January 2014 12:57, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> I agree with Philip. Trafficability is not a good
On 1/3/14 6:23 AM, Dan S wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It reminds me quite a lot of opening_hours
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours
> Would that be appropriate?
>
there are different types of trafficability issues.
here in upstate NY, we have two types of seasonal
road. most are simply unpa
I agree with Philip. Trafficability is not a good choice of terms. The root
word, traffic, is more a descriptor of the types and/or density of vehicles
using a way rather than something to rank its usability under certain
conditions.
Perhaps usability or passable or ??? Both passable (21) and impa
Hi,
It reminds me quite a lot of opening_hours
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours
Would that be appropriate?
Dan
2014/1/3 BGNO BGNO
>
> Hi,
>
> I am proposing a new key:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability
>
> Cheers
>
> BGNO
>
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2014/1/3 BGNO BGNO
> I am proposing a new key:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability
>
I removed your "Key:trafficability" page in the wiki. You shall keep the
proposal form some time, at least until you get some kind of consensus or
positive feedbacks. I forwarde
Whilst the idea is sound, I am not sure about the name. Is it even a
word? As a native English speaker its not a word that would spring to
mind when I am looking for a tag.
Phil (trigpoint)
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 09:27 +0100, BGNO BGNO wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I am proposing a new
> key: http://wiki.o
This could be a very useful tag - I'm particularly interested in
unsealed and 4x4 roads/tracks, sure you have seen the recent discussion.
We have been trying to massage existing tags for the purpose.
The problem as I see it is that with a wealth of tags everyone chooses
to use different ones. And
Hi,
I am proposing a new key:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trafficability
Cheers
BGNO
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