Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Bryce Nesbitt]

The typical planetarium in the USA is attached to a museum,
and most offer separately ticketed shows (stars, movies, talks).

A lens-based star projectors once distinguished a planetarium.
No more.
Now these are basically digital movie theaters with a curved screen.
As such they are most akin to a movie theater in my view.
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

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I count your votings on tagging-mailinglist:

leisure 2x
tourism 3x
amenity 4x

Finally I vote also for amenity=planetarium.
I'm going to create/modify the wiki pages in that way.

Regards Johannes

On 25.02.2014 18:17, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Richard Welty
> wrote:
> 
>> clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads of
>> elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors to
>> planetariums.
>> 
> 
> Oh, I have.  Granted, I only have the planetarium at the Oregon
> Museum of Science and Industry to go by, and it's not the daytime
> exhibits that bring in their bread and butter. Could be Portland
> being Portland.
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

> clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads
> of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors
> to planetariums.
>

Oh, I have.  Granted, I only have the planetarium at the Oregon Museum of
Science and Industry to go by, and it's not the daytime exhibits that bring
in their bread and butter. Could be Portland being Portland.
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Andre Hinrichs]

Am 25.02.2014 13:56, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren  >:
>
> Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a
> museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for
> education and works of art preservation.
>
>
>
>
> +1 (also to the rest).
> I favor amenity=planetarium
+1
For me a planetarium is more an educational site than a touristic
attraction.
And yes there are many very old stars shown there but that's an argument
for a museum.
What I could also imagine is man_made=planetarium as it is related to
man_made=telescope where you can also (live) look into the past...

Cheers
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[André Pirard]

On 2014-02-25 16:00, Richard Welty wrote :
> On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums
>> from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows.  I vote
>> leisure=planetarium.
> clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads
> of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors
> to planetariums.
>
> the Hayden Planetarium in NYC is perhaps an exception, but it
> offers a pretty significant science museum along side the
> planetarium itself.
There may be at least two kinds of planetariums.
Those operated by astrophysicists and/or space enthusiasts to spread
scientific knowledge.
Those operated by lighting engineers and possibly exhibiting acrobats.
The bottom line seems to me: if that's the case, should the OSM user
know which he finds?
Is it really necessary to confuse them or would the two kinds,
educational and leisure, make sense?
Or, finally, would the non educational aspect only be in the eyes of the
beholder?

Cheers,

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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Richard Welty]

On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums
> from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows.  I vote
> leisure=planetarium.
>
>
clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads
of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors
to planetariums.

the Hayden Planetarium in NYC is perhaps an exception, but it
offers a pretty significant science museum along side the
planetarium itself.

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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Paul Johnson]

Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums
from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows.  I vote
leisure=planetarium.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Dan S  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so
> the definition is quite stretched from "community facilities" as the
> wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be
> better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So
> I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of
> the suggestions are fine really!
>
> Dan
>
>
> 2014-02-25 0:28 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout :
> > I think amenity=planetarium is perfectly reasonable. A planetarium is a
> > place that resembles a theater but the "show" involves models of the
> planets
> > and/or the stars & universe. If OSM can have an amenity=brothel tag, we
> can
> > certainly have an amenity tag for planetaria, which are in my opinion
> > "something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole" whereas it is
> > arguable whether brothels fit into that category. ;-)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, John Packer 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*.
> >>
> >> It seems that's where the discussion is going to.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty :
> >>>
> >>> On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English
> >>> > speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole
> (or
> >>> > at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably
> for
> >>> > enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium).
> >>>
> >>> on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually
> >>> attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science
> >>> museums or children's museums.
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[John Packer]

Maybe my last email was unclear. I vote on tourism=planetarium


2014-02-25 10:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer :

> I would argue the main public of planetariuns are tourists.
>
>
> 2014-02-25 9:56 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>>
>> 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren :
>>
>>  Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a
>>> museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for
>>> education and works of art preservation.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 (also to the rest).
>> I favor amenity=planetarium
>>
>> cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[John Packer]

I would argue the main public of planetariuns are tourists.


2014-02-25 9:56 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren :
>
>  Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a
>> museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for
>> education and works of art preservation.
>>
>
>
>
> +1 (also to the rest).
> I favor amenity=planetarium
>
> cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren :

> Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a
> museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for
> education and works of art preservation.
>



+1 (also to the rest).
I favor amenity=planetarium

cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2014-02-25 12:02, Pieren wrote :


  On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S  wrote:


  
I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of
the suggestions are fine really!

  
  
Like museum, it is something between science/museum/educational and
cinema/theatre/entertainment. In the planetarium I know, the main
public is from schools and locals, not tourists (it's not a big one).
I would put "planetarium" in the same category as "museum". And both
could be in 'tourism' or 'amenity'. Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a
museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for
education and works of art preservation.


+1. The following is what I wrote and hesitated to send yesterday
before reading this.

A planetarium is definitely educational.
It's often coupled with photographs, orbiting model satellites,
clocks, and all sorts of space related objects.
It's a good place to bring kids to show them that there is something
else than games and that space is different.
Computers have their place too.  I'll never forget that kid
whispering in my ear "I want that [space] program".
Much akin to a museum indeed.  In this case, a 5yo running all over
the place and yelling "there's another one there" (there was nothing
but huge animal "ones" everywhere).  Ah that élan of the youth!
Unfortunately, Education
  features  is void of that.

Cheers,


  

  André.

  







  


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Pieren]

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S  wrote:

> I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of
> the suggestions are fine really!

Like museum, it is something between science/museum/educational and
cinema/theatre/entertainment. In the planetarium I know, the main
public is from schools and locals, not tourists (it's not a big one).
I would put "planetarium" in the same category as "museum". And both
could be in 'tourism' or 'amenity'. Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a
museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for
education and works of art preservation.

Pieren

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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Dan S]

Hi all,

Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so
the definition is quite stretched from "community facilities" as the
wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be
better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So
I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of
the suggestions are fine really!

Dan


2014-02-25 0:28 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout :
> I think amenity=planetarium is perfectly reasonable. A planetarium is a
> place that resembles a theater but the "show" involves models of the planets
> and/or the stars & universe. If OSM can have an amenity=brothel tag, we can
> certainly have an amenity tag for planetaria, which are in my opinion
> "something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole" whereas it is
> arguable whether brothels fit into that category. ;-)
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, John Packer  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*.
>>
>> It seems that's where the discussion is going to.
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty :
>>>
>>> On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English
>>> > speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or
>>> > at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for
>>> > enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium).
>>>
>>> on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually
>>> attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science
>>> museums or children's museums.
>>>
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Dave Swarthout]

I think amenity=planetarium is perfectly reasonable. A planetarium is a
place that resembles a theater but the "show" involves models of the
planets and/or the stars & universe. If OSM can have an amenity=brothel
tag, we can certainly have an amenity tag for planetaria, which are in my
opinion "something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole" whereas
it is arguable whether brothels fit into that category. ;-)


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, John Packer  wrote:

> Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*.
>
> It seems that's where the discussion is going to.
>
>
> 2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty :
>
>>  On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English
>> > speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or
>> > at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for
>> > enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium).
>>
>> on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually
>> attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science
>> museums or children's museums.
>>
>> richard
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Richard Welty]

On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>  
>
> I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English
> speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or
> at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for
> enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium).

on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually
attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science
museums or children's museums.

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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[John Packer]

Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*.

It seems that's where the discussion is going to.


2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty :

>  On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> >
> >
> > I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English
> > speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or
> > at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for
> > enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium).
>
> on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually
> attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science
> museums or children's museums.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

[Colin Smale]

 

I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English
speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or
at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for
enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium). 

Colin 

On 2014-02-24 22:53, Johannes wrote: 

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> Hello,
> 
> i was looking for suitable tag, that describes a planetarium. But
> until now nothing, there's no mention in the wiki. But there are
> several different usages out there.
> 
> After a discussion on talk-de there was a majority for
> amentiy=planetarium
> 
> We could not agree us, if a planetarium is a theater/cinema or a
> museum. So we took amenity as key.
> 
> Any protest? If not, i will make theses wiki changes.
> 
> Best regards, Johannes
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[Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:22:16 +0100
From: Johannes 
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org

Hello,

i was looking for suitable tag, that describes a planetarium. But
until now nothing, there's no mention in the wiki. But there are
several different usages out there.

After a discussion on talk-de there was a majority for
amentiy=planetarium

We could not agree us, if a planetarium is a theater/cinema or a
museum. So we took amenity as key.

Any protest? If not, i will make theses wiki changes.

Best regards, Johannes
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