Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
Werner Poppele wrote: > In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. > Is > that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems > to > be not quite correct IMHO. > > taginfo > landuse=trailer_park 8 > amenity=trailer_park 23 > tourism=camp_site 40196 > > WernerP > > [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.6209&lon=-117.6951&zoom=17 > You are correct that tourism=camp_site is not correct, as it implies a short-term stay. The "mobile homes" used in a trailer park are theoretically mobile, but in practice tend to be moved only when they are first installed, and when they are eventually towed away to be scrapped, if not scrapped in place. Plus, they are wide enough to require "wide load" warning signs, and escort vehicles, when they are being towed. "Trailer parks" tend to have many such mobile homes, close together. The landuse=trailer_park seems a logical way to tag them. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
In the US (context established in first post), "trailer park" nearly always refers to a residential subdivision where people buy small lots, and then place mobile homes on those lots for permanent residence. I would suggest tagging the area with landuse=residential, and possibly some kind of subtags with which I am not familiar. These places usually have names clearly advertized at the entrance(s). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 08:28 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: > At 2012-07-27 06:54, Werner Poppele wrote: > >In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is > >that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to > >be not quite correct IMHO. > > > >taginfo > >landuse=trailer_park8 > >amenity=trailer_park23 > >tourism=camp_site 40196 > > It depends on what you mean by trailer park. For a place that is rented for > a short term by the day or week to park your RV or towed camper in, I used > tourism=caravan_site per > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site . These are referred to as touring caravan parks. > > For places called "mobile home parks", which are leased by the year (at > least), in which to semi-permanently place a pre-manufactured (aka mobile) > home that requires a great deal of work to move, I tag landuse=residential, > and add it to a relation (with role=boundary) that is tagged: > type=site > site=housing > housing_type=mobile_home > > e.g. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yes&bbox=-117.9384%2C33.63424%2C-117.93623%2C33.63606 > > These are sometimes grouped together with the first type, usually > pejoratively. Having stayed in both types of places, they are nothing alike. > There is also a 3rd usage. That is where the mobile home are large and rarely move, much like a residential trailer park, but they are owned for holiday/recreational purposes. They tend to have rules about not being permanently occupied. Often they are sublet for a week, two at a time. The difference here is nobody is a permanent resident, has postal deliveries or the address on their driving license (other than any staff/owners that is). Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
At 2012-07-27 06:54, Werner Poppele wrote: In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be not quite correct IMHO. taginfo landuse=trailer_park8 amenity=trailer_park23 tourism=camp_site 40196 It depends on what you mean by trailer park. For a place that is rented for a short term by the day or week to park your RV or towed camper in, I used tourism=caravan_site per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site . For places called "mobile home parks", which are leased by the year (at least), in which to semi-permanently place a pre-manufactured (aka mobile) home that requires a great deal of work to move, I tag landuse=residential, and add it to a relation (with role=boundary) that is tagged: type=site site=housing housing_type=mobile_home e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yes&bbox=-117.9384%2C33.63424%2C-117.93623%2C33.63606 These are sometimes grouped together with the first type, usually pejoratively. Having stayed in both types of places, they are nothing alike. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.6209&lon=-117.6951&zoom=17 Definitely the latter - a mobile home park. -- Alan Mintz ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
Werner Poppele writes: > In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged > landuse=trailer_park. Is that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag > tourism=camp_site seems to be not quite correct IMHO. > > taginfo > landuse=trailer_park 8 > amenity=trailer_park 23 > tourism=camp_site 40196 US culture for what it's worth: some people have an "Recreational Vehicle (RV)" that they take on vacation and live in, but they almost always consider this mostly temporary, even if they do it for six months. That's camping, basically (or 'trailer camping' vs 'tent camping'). Typically the people move around and visit different places. some people live in a 'mobile home' also called 'trailer', that is typically technically movable but often up on blocks in a 'trailer park' which is a community with a lot of them, streets, gardens, etc. It's mostly like a regular neighborhood with houses, except the homes are these mobile/trailer ones (smaller, less expensive) and there is usually less land per house. These mobile homes tend to be bigger than RVs, although a few RVs are truly enormous and might get close to small mobile homes (thus frightening all the other drivers). These two things really don't have anything do with each other. pgpPS9NIgSGgA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
I'd agree, it definitely doesn't look like a trailer park or camp site. Landuse=residential would cover it without you having to get into wordsmithing. There was some discussion on extending landuse=residential with residential=* tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:landuse#Refining_landuse.3Dresidential On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Werner Poppele wrote: > >> In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is >> that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be >> not quite correct IMHO. >> >> taginfo >> landuse=trailer_park8 >> amenity=trailer_park23 >> tourism=camp_site 40196 >> >> WernerP >> >> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.6209&lon=-117.6951&zoom=17 >> >> This looks like a Mobile Home Park (MHP), of which there is only one > landuse=mobile_home_park tag in use. I would recommend not using > trailer_park and it's not a camp_site. It could also be a gated_community > (25 in use) but I couldn't tell from the bing image if it was a actual > gated community. Additionally it could be a retirement community for those > over 55. > > -- > Clifford > > I have promised to cut down on my swearing and drinking, which I have. > Unfortunately, this has left me dim-witted and nearly speechless. Adapted > from *The Lion* by Nelson DeMille > > -or- > > If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. > Albert Einstein > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Werner Poppele wrote: > In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is > that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be > not quite correct IMHO. > > taginfo > landuse=trailer_park8 > amenity=trailer_park23 > tourism=camp_site 40196 > > WernerP > > [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.6209&lon=-117.6951&zoom=17 > > This looks like a Mobile Home Park (MHP), of which there is only one landuse=mobile_home_park tag in use. I would recommend not using trailer_park and it's not a camp_site. It could also be a gated_community (25 in use) but I couldn't tell from the bing image if it was a actual gated community. Additionally it could be a retirement community for those over 55. -- Clifford I have promised to cut down on my swearing and drinking, which I have. Unfortunately, this has left me dim-witted and nearly speechless. Adapted from *The Lion* by Nelson DeMille -or- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Werner Poppele wrote: > In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is > that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be > not quite correct IMHO. tourism=camp_site with the caravans=yes is potentially appropriate. There is also tourism=caravan_site which might be closer to what you want. However for semi-permanent mobile homes I might suggest landuse=residential is more appropriate with some kind of additional tag indicating the type of residences that are there. I'm not sure if there are any existing conventions for that. -- AJ Ashton ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?
In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be not quite correct IMHO. taginfo landuse=trailer_park8 amenity=trailer_park23 tourism=camp_site 40196 WernerP [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.6209&lon=-117.6951&zoom=17 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
