Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

sent from a phone > Am 05.03.2016 um 07:55 schrieb Marc Gemis : > > Another obsolete tag that is still is "in use" is building=entrance Although there are some hints it is not so superclear from the wiki that you shouldn't absolutely use this tag for an entrance:

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > ...and of course that would require a declaration of A is right and B is > wrong, or at least A is better than B, which will annoy the free-taggers > who are against all standardisation and normalisation as that

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That inertia of obsoleted legacy has everything to do with the fact we discourage mechanical edits. If somebody were to fix all those building=entrance to become entrance=main on nodes, their changesets would probably be reverted. So why even bother? It's more fun to map new stuff than to fix

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Because something has been in existence does not mean it cannot ever be > changed! > Consider the power sub station ... that was gradually changed to a new > tagging scheme. But it can take years :-(, 1/4 of the

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

On 4/03/2016 8:58 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: Here in Chiang Mai motorcycle rental shops are common as well. Rentals from a motorcycle dealer are not. Don't know much about motorcycles, but for caravans or campers it is

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Here in Chiang Mai motorcycle rental shops are common as well. Rentals from > a motorcycle dealer are not. Don't know much about motorcycles, but for caravans or campers it is not unusual that you can rent one in a

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

On 03/03/2016 18:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Also from a linguistic point of view, "sales" is not chosen extraordinarily well, it sounds like "bargain sale"/"clearance sale" or am I over interpreting this? Yes, you're over thinking it. When you sell something, you make a sale, do it

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

Here in Chiang Mai motorcycle rental shops are common as well. Rentals from a motorcycle dealer are not. On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 04.03.2016 um 08:58 schrieb Simon Poole : > > > > - pure

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sent from a phone > Am 04.03.2016 um 08:58 schrieb Simon Poole : > > - pure motorcycle rental places are very very rare (pls don't assume > that it is the same as with cars), at least I and I suspect most other > bikers are likely to search for dealerships and then check if

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > While I don't want to defend the scheme of the preset (you should > contact the author of the preset on why he/she choose that scheme), > there are some benefits with that schema. > With this schema I only need 1 query

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Two observations - the motorcycle preset in its present form (well with the exception of an improvement from yours truly) exists since at least JOSM 3498 6 years ago ... debating the motivations of whoever added the sale key is rather moot at this point in time. - pure motorcycle rental

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am 03.03.2016 um 14:41 schrieb Marc Gemis : >> >> I'l agree that when there are separate tags for rental and repair >> there is no need for sales=no. >> Only when you try to bring

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I don't see why a place to rent motorcycles should be tagged in a way that > facilitates confusion with a place that sells motorcycles. Why would you do > this? People look either for the first or the second but

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sent from a phone > Am 03.03.2016 um 14:41 schrieb Marc Gemis : > > I'l agree that when there are separate tags for rental and repair > there is no need for sales=no. > Only when you try to bring everything under 1 umbrella the sales=no makes > sense. I don't see why a

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-03-03 13:21 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : >> >> In combination with service=yes or rental=yes, sale/sells=no makes >> sense, not ? > > > > > if it is a service station, I'd map it like this,

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Is there nothing for motorcycle clothing? Leathers, boots, gloves, helmets... That doesn't immediately appear to fall under m_parts, m_rental or m_repair. --colin On 2016-03-03 14:25, Dave Swarthout wrote: >> Rather than introducing new tags via editor presets people should "discuss" >> new

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>Rather than introducing new tags via editor presets people should "discuss" new tags (e.g. by dropping a note on the tagging ML), +1 I agree totally. But the sale tag is there in the Preset already - how did that happen? The Wiki page tells us that sale refers to the fact that "whole"

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2016-03-03 13:21 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > In combination with service=yes or rental=yes, sale/sells=no makes > sense, not ? > if it is a service station, I'd map it like this, or shop=motorcycle_repair in analogy to the very established shop=car_repair

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > How many motorcycle shops do not sell something? In combination with service=yes or rental=yes, sale/sells=no makes sense, not ? In case the shop=motorcycle has to be used for places where you can only rent or

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

2016-03-03 8:35 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout : > For example, I agree "sells" would be a better tag than "sale" but sale is > already present in the JOSM preset. Well, then remove it and change it to "sells:" ;-) Have a look at the current usage of "sale":

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sent from a phone > Am 03.03.2016 um 02:23 schrieb Dave Swarthout : > > the wording in the Wiki is followed then this tag means the shop sells "whole > motorcycles" (as opposed to pieces of motorcycles) of a certain brand. Fine, > but the brand tag in the main

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@Warin, Thanks for your reply. While I may agree with you on some of this my question has more to do with understanding the tagging scheme that's in place and how it came to be there rather than trying to change it to something different. For example, I agree "sells" would be a better tag than

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

On 3/03/2016 12:23 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: I recently discovered a preset in JOSM that should help in my work, shop=motorcycle (See:Presets/Transport/Motorcycle/Motorcycle Dealer in JOSM rel 9900). It is very detailed and would seem to cover every possible aspect of such shops from

[Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

I recently discovered a preset in JOSM that should help in my work, shop=motorcycle (See:Presets/Transport/Motorcycle/Motorcycle Dealer in JOSM rel 9900). It is very detailed and would seem to cover every possible aspect of such shops from clothing and accessories to service. But it uses some tags