Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Kotya Karapetyan]

Hi Andre,

I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

> You should say what you mean when you speak of "e-mail" (not being the
best tool).
> If you mean that a plain mail server or list server is insufficient, one
can agree.
> But if you say that the user shouldn't use e-mail, that is wrong.

1) I didn't say that people shouldn't *use* email. I only think that a
mailing list is not the best tool for decision preparation discussions.
Why? Because there is absolutely no structure implied or enforced. If you
have a meeting without an agenda, without *any* rules, without a chairman,
without time limits, with participants joining in the middle of a
discussion and leaving before it's over—what's the probability of having a
successful meeting and getting some decisions prepared?

> You seem to consider including an image as an achievement.

2) I don't consider embedding an image an achievement. Loomio has a pretty
primitive interface, e.g. no buttons (like at StackExchange) to do
formatting. Therefore there was a valid question asked whether it's
possible to embed images. Note that it was not about being WYSIWG or able
to to do rich text. For discussions, we really need to be able to share
photos and screenshots.
I have checked and posted that it was possible, both in the topic and in
individual comments. I just answered the question.

> There is more than that to support: links, lists, tables, titles etc...

3) I am not sure you really need it, but Loomio supports further formatting
that you mention.


However I think that your position is more interesting for this discussion
than just arguing about the functionality and usability of email and
whatever-other-tool. You have a rather strong opinion and I think, whatever
the functionality, you will present a strong opposition to switching.
Therefore I would be interested in knowing *if* it is possible to make you
*want* to switch. Not just to Loomio but to any other tool. Is there such a
thing at all? Is there something you don't like about emails as the
decision preparation tool?

Cheers,
Kotya




On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:11 AM, André Pirard 
wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> So, the conclusion of my Loomio test is that it does not let the user
> choose which Google account it uses during account creation, it uses the
> connected account and, despite the user cancels the Login operation, Loomio
> continues to try to use the unwanted account. I tried disconnecting the
> account and removing the cookies in vain.
> I was asked to open a Loomio ticket and, although I'm not here to debug
> Loomio, I'm helpful and I did.
> But no one popped up, ad so, Loomio must be seen as unsupported software.
> I could not make actual tests.
>
> On 2015-03-23 19:07, Kotya Karapetyan wrote :
>
> Now I am missing the "like" link :)
>
>  We'll definitely need to find a smart and soft way to attract people to
> a different platform.
> However, though I agree that email is not the best tool, we need a very
> good alternative rather than a marginally better option first.
>
>  You should say what you mean when you speak of "e-mail" (not being the
> best tool).
> If you mean that a plain mail server or list server is insufficient, one
> can agree.
> But if you say that the user shouldn't use e-mail, that is wrong.
> Users complain about the difficulties of composing wiki text or similar
> because it's not wysiwyg and because a Web interface is not adequate.
> E-mail programs are good, basic HTML editors and the best idea is to use
> that same HTML for both forum articles and wiki pages. The said articles
> are easily converted to wiki pages, something that should be more often in
> certain countries.
>
> Personally, I archive the messages I receive in an MAP server that I can
> access with my e-mail program.
> If you add list management functions to that, the more the better, you
> make an excellent Loomio.
> The list servers we use have 2 big shortcomings: 1) limiting message size,
> 2) considering messages as text with HTML attachment.
> They should use a readonly IMAP server.
>
> Loomio test page 
> To answer the Ralph’s question in the mailing list, this thread is an
> attempt to embed an image:
>
> You seem to consider including an image as an achievement.
> There is more than that to support: links, lists, tables, titles etc...
>
> I have copied and pasted to this message the page of the test test you
> made on Loomio.
> Below that, I made a fancier image with the text wrapping to the left,
> just for show.
> Belox that, I copied from the main map the tags of Elisabeth Tower, the
> one supporting Big Ben.
> It contains titles, links, a table and a list.
>
>   André.
>
>OSM tagging 
>   Test images
>
> To answer the Ralph’s question in the mailing list, this thread is an
> attempt to embed an image:
>
>Started 1 hour ago by Kotya Karapetyan
> 

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[André Pirard]

Title: Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

  
  
Hi,
  
  So, the conclusion of my Loomio test is that it does not let the
  user choose which Google account it uses during account creation,
  it uses the connected account and, despite the user cancels the
  Login operation, Loomio continues to try to use the unwanted
  account. I tried disconnecting the account and removing the
  cookies in vain.
  I was asked to open a Loomio ticket and, although I'm not here to
  debug Loomio, I'm helpful and I did.
  But no one popped up, ad so, Loomio must be seen as unsupported
  software.
  I could not make actual tests.
  
  On 2015-03-23 19:07, Kotya Karapetyan wrote :


  Now I am missing the "like" link :)


We'll definitely need to find a smart and soft way to
  attract people to a different platform. 
  However, though I agree that email is not the best tool, we
  need a very good alternative rather than a marginally better
  option first.
  
  

You should say what you mean when you speak of "e-mail" (not being
the best tool).
If you mean that a plain mail server or list server is insufficient,
one can agree.
But if you say that the user shouldn't use e-mail, that is wrong.
Users complain about the difficulties of composing wiki text or
similar because it's not wysiwyg and because a Web interface is not
adequate. E-mail programs are good, basic HTML editors and the best
idea is to use that same HTML for both forum articles and wiki
pages. The said articles are easily converted to wiki pages,
something that should be more often in certain countries.

Personally, I archive the messages I receive in an MAP server that I
can access with my e-mail program.
If you add list management functions to that, the more the better,
you make an excellent Loomio.
The list servers we use have 2 big shortcomings: 1) limiting message
size, 2) considering messages as text with HTML attachment.
They should use a readonly IMAP server.
 Loomio test
page 
  To answer the Ralph’s question in the mailing list, this thread is
  an attempt to embed an image:
You seem to consider including an image as an achievement.
There is more than that to support: links, lists, tables, titles
etc...

I have copied and pasted to this message the page of the test test
you made on Loomio.
Below that, I made a fancier image with the text wrapping to the
left, just for show.
Belox that, I copied from the main map the tags of Elisabeth Tower,
the one supporting Big Ben.
It contains titles, links, a table and a list.


  

  André.

  




  

  

   OSM


  tagging  
  

  
   


  

  

  
 Test images 
  

  
  

  

  

  
To answer the Ralph’s question in the
  mailing list, this thread is an attempt to
  embed an image:

  

  


   Started 1
hour ago by Kotya Karapetyan
 Edited

  

  


  
Current decision
 
  
  
Discussion

  

   
  

  
 
   

  

  Kotya


Karapetyan
   


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aliquam massa eget, mattis nisi.
Fusce commodo venenatis
molestie. Proin sagittis enim
   

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[David Bannon]

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 19:07 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote:


> We'll definitely need to find a smart and soft way to attract people
> to a different platform. 

I think its better than the email list. For a number of reasons. And
while the list also wins a couple of points, overall, Loomio is better.

But I don't think its better by enough to drag everyone over there to
use it. To make people abandon something they are comfortable with, it
needs to be heaps better and current system needs to have some major
problem. And I don't think that is the case.

I would be willing to move but not so much I'd pressure others to go
there as well.

David


> However, though I agree that email is not the best tool, we need a
> very good alternative rather than a marginally better option first.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Dan S 
> wrote:
> OSM is a very large community with much accumulated knowledge
> and
> skill - it's bound to be quite conservative, and for good
> reason. The
> challenge is to allow experimental innovations to breathe
> without
> disrupting the community. We'll never be able to organise a
> vote (ha!)
> to switch to loomio all at once. But if we decide Loomio is
> worth
> trying, maybe we can experimentally agree to use it to
> negotiate some
> small tagging subproject, in a particular tag namespace.
> (indoor
> tagging might be a good example?) Then inch by inch we see
> what works.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 2015-03-23 0:18 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout
> :
> > I'll second the notion that we need something better than
> the current
> > system. It is an anachronism!
> >
> > My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my
> immediate thought
> > was, it'll never get accepted into OSM
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Dan S  +o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too,
> so osm could
> >> run its own version of it if we wanted to.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan
> :
> >> > Dear all,
> >> >
> >> > In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal
> discussions, Loomio
> >> > has
> >> > been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a
> feasible
> >> > alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
> >> >
> >> > Let's take a look together:
> >> > https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
> >> >
> >> > And let me know if you want to check the coordinator
> role.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Kotya
> >> >
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> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
> >> >
> >>
> >> ___
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> >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
> >
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> >
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Dan S]

Yes they can. Probably best to try it out - sorry that you're stuck
outside of it at the moment!

2015-03-23 18:36 GMT+00:00 AYTOUN RALPH :
> The next question is
>
> The results of the graph are based on the response of the person when they
> post their comment. This affects the result of the pie chart because it
> starts to clock up how people feel before all the comments for and against
> have been posted. Those later arguments could affect the earlier decisions
> and change people's minds. Can they retract their earlier position and
> change or reverse their input to the pie graph?
>
> On 20 March 2015 at 22:38, Kotya Karapetyan  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
>> has been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
>> alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
>>
>> Let's take a look together: https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
>>
>> And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kotya
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[AYTOUN RALPH]

The next question is

The results of the graph are based on the response of the person when they
post their comment. This affects the result of the pie chart because it
starts to clock up how people feel before all the comments for and against
have been posted. Those later arguments could affect the earlier decisions
and change people's minds. Can they retract their earlier position and
change or reverse their input to the pie graph?

On 20 March 2015 at 22:38, Kotya Karapetyan  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
> has been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
> alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
>
> Let's take a look together: https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
>
> And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
>
> Cheers,
> Kotya
>
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[AYTOUN RALPH]

Thanks Kotya,

Being able to include pictures, etc, is at least is a great positive.

I still need to sort out what has happened to stop me from signing up for
the group. If this is going to be a common problem then it may discourage
some from getting involved. Or we need to give more accurate signing up or
log in instructions for future. Not everyone worldwide has a Google account
and gmail.

Will get back to you when I have some idea what went wrong.


On 23 March 2015 at 18:15, Kotya Karapetyan  wrote:

> I was *too* quick. Here is an example:
>> https://www.loomio.org/d/1E3YAaz0/test-images
>>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Kotya Karapetyan]

>
> I was *too* quick. Here is an example:
> https://www.loomio.org/d/1E3YAaz0/test-images
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Kotya Karapetyan]

Now I am missing the "like" link :)

We'll definitely need to find a smart and soft way to attract people to a
different platform. However, though I agree that email is not the best
tool, we need a very good alternative rather than a marginally better
option first.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Dan S  wrote:

> OSM is a very large community with much accumulated knowledge and
> skill - it's bound to be quite conservative, and for good reason. The
> challenge is to allow experimental innovations to breathe without
> disrupting the community. We'll never be able to organise a vote (ha!)
> to switch to loomio all at once. But if we decide Loomio is worth
> trying, maybe we can experimentally agree to use it to negotiate some
> small tagging subproject, in a particular tag namespace. (indoor
> tagging might be a good example?) Then inch by inch we see what works.
>
> Dan
>
>
> 2015-03-23 0:18 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout :
> > I'll second the notion that we need something better than the current
> > system. It is an anachronism!
> >
> > My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my immediate
> thought
> > was, it'll never get accepted into OSM
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Dan S  wrote:
> >>
> >> It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could
> >> run its own version of it if we wanted to.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan :
> >> > Dear all,
> >> >
> >> > In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions,
> Loomio
> >> > has
> >> > been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
> >> > alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
> >> >
> >> > Let's take a look together:
> >> > https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
> >> >
> >> > And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Kotya
> >> >
> >> > ___
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> >> > Tagging@openstreetmap.org
> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
> >> >
> >>
> >> ___
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> >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Homer, Alaska
> > Chiang Mai, Thailand
> > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
> >
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Kotya Karapetyan]

>
>
>> Question:... Can you include pictures or diagrams as visual arguments to
>> support your reasoning?
>>
>>
> Doesn't seems to be possible.
>


I was too quick. It *is* possible. Here is an example.
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Kotya Karapetyan]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM, AYTOUN RALPH 
wrote:

> Well, I guess I am also out of this. Needs me to log in to make a comment
> but appears I have done something wrong because it just does not work for
> me. I do not have a Google account and my Virgin email is unacceptable.
>
> So I cannot comment.
>

That's a shame. What do you mean by "unacceptable"? It complains about it?


>
> Question:... Can you include pictures or diagrams as visual arguments to
> support your reasoning?
>
>
Doesn't seems to be possible.
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Dan S]

I don't know if I need to say this, but Ralph, Andre, please could you
send report your problems to the loomio people? You do that here:
https://github.com/loomio/loomio/issues

Dan

2015-03-23 16:42 GMT+00:00 AYTOUN RALPH :
> Well, I guess I am also out of this. Needs me to log in to make a comment
> but appears I have done something wrong because it just does not work for
> me. I do not have a Google account and my Virgin email is unacceptable.
>
> So I cannot comment.
>
> Question:... Can you include pictures or diagrams as visual arguments to
> support your reasoning?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ralph
>
> On 20 March 2015 at 22:38, Kotya Karapetyan  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
>> has been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
>> alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
>>
>> Let's take a look together: https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
>>
>> And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kotya
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[AYTOUN RALPH]

Well, I guess I am also out of this. Needs me to log in to make a comment
but appears I have done something wrong because it just does not work for
me. I do not have a Google account and my Virgin email is unacceptable.

So I cannot comment.

Question:... Can you include pictures or diagrams as visual arguments to
support your reasoning?

Cheers

Ralph

On 20 March 2015 at 22:38, Kotya Karapetyan  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
> has been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
> alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
>
> Let's take a look together: https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
>
> And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
>
> Cheers,
> Kotya
>
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[André Pirard]

On 2015-03-23 01:18, Dave Swarthout wrote :
> I'll second the notion that we need something better than the current
> system. It is an anachronism!
>
> My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my immediate
> thought was, it'll never get accepted into OSM
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Dan S  > wrote:
>
> It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could
> run its own version of it if we wanted to.
>
> Dan
>
> 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan  >:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal
> discussions, Loomio has
> > been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
> > alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
> >
> > Let's take a look together:
> https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
> >
> > And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kotya
>
Hi,

I clicked "Login via Google", Google didn't let me choose which e-mail
address to use, it blindly used the wrong one, I obviously canceled
permission to use it and Loomio reported failure for a cryptic reason.
Back to Loomio for a new start, I'm stuck in the following welcome
dialog when trying to repeat the same.
It looks like Loomio made a subscription despite it failed and wants me
to do an impossible login.
According to Help, no subscription is needed :-D
How can I cancel that bogus subscription and go on? (I have an idea of
trickery, but I prefer the official method).

Short conclusion: it seems I won the contest by raising a bug on just a
single first click ;-)

>
>   Link up your account
>
> Log in to your Loomio account to link it up with Google.
>
> or
> Remember me
> Forgot your password? 
>
> Don't have an account? Create one now
> 
>
Cheers

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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Dan S]

OSM is a very large community with much accumulated knowledge and
skill - it's bound to be quite conservative, and for good reason. The
challenge is to allow experimental innovations to breathe without
disrupting the community. We'll never be able to organise a vote (ha!)
to switch to loomio all at once. But if we decide Loomio is worth
trying, maybe we can experimentally agree to use it to negotiate some
small tagging subproject, in a particular tag namespace. (indoor
tagging might be a good example?) Then inch by inch we see what works.

Dan


2015-03-23 0:18 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout :
> I'll second the notion that we need something better than the current
> system. It is an anachronism!
>
> My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my immediate thought
> was, it'll never get accepted into OSM
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Dan S  wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could
>> run its own version of it if we wanted to.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan :
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
>> > has
>> > been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
>> > alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
>> >
>> > Let's take a look together:
>> > https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
>> >
>> > And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Kotya
>> >
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Dave Swarthout]

I'll second the notion that we need something better than the current
system. It is an anachronism!

My first look at Loomio was good, I was impressed, but my immediate thought
was, it'll never get accepted into OSM

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Dan S  wrote:

> It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could
> run its own version of it if we wanted to.
>
> Dan
>
> 2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan :
> > Dear all,
> >
> > In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
> has
> > been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
> > alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
> >
> > Let's take a look together:
> https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
> >
> > And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kotya
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Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Dan S]

It's interesting. I hadn't realised it's open-source too, so osm could
run its own version of it if we wanted to.

Dan

2015-03-20 22:38 GMT+00:00 Kotya Karapetyan :
> Dear all,
>
> In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio has
> been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
> alternative to the mailing list and the forum.
>
> Let's take a look together: https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging
>
> And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.
>
> Cheers,
> Kotya
>
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[Tagging] Loomio evaluation

[Kotya Karapetyan]

Dear all,

In an attempt to find a better tool for our proposal discussions, Loomio
has been mentioned. At the very first glance it looks like a feasible
alternative to the mailing list and the forum.

Let's take a look together: https://www.loomio.org/g/tknueHrw/osm-tagging

And let me know if you want to check the coordinator role.

Cheers,
Kotya
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