Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 20:13, dktue wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I >> feel that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. >> > > How about the established office=newspaper? > 30 or 40 years ago that would have been workable. Back in those days every major newspaper had a building, or complex of buildings, which housed the journalists and the presses at a single location. Even then, office=newspaper would have been sub-optimal since the journalists were in an actual office but the presses (and typecasters, etc.) were not in an actual office. These days the journalists and presses are often in different locations. Several newspapers serving different localities may share an owner and a single printshop. Many newspapers may, independently of each other, contract the printing to an independent press (which may have no journalists of its own). There are even more complex financial relationships than those, but the result is still that the presses may be in a building far removed from the journalists (and advertising, and management). -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 20:13, dktue wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I > feel that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. > How about the established office=newspaper? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aoffice%3Dnewspaper Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
I wouldn't use shop=* or craft=* either. man_made=works seems to fit
best, although i'm not very comfortable with using man_made ('man made
(artificial) structures' [1]) for a business (which a factory is). As
for the kind of factory, some people use works=* (867 uses so far)
[1], which i think makes quite sense.
Therefore, i'd suggest to tag a printing works man_made=works +
works=printing (+ product=printed_matter).
[1]: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/works
Regards
Markus
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 15:42, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:28 PM Erkin Alp Güney
> wrote:
>>
>> amenity=press anyone?
>
>
> "Should we go to the park today? Or how about the landscape gardens? Or
> watch a game of
> football? Nah, lets go to the press. That will be a lot of tun.
>
> Oh damn, this is no fun at all. I thought it was going to be a wine press
> but it turns out to be a
> printing press. Now I have ink all over my feet and impressions of letters
> in the soles of my feet.
> Next time we'll have to find a different amenity to have fun at."
>
> I know there is some use of amenity as a miscellaneous category but I don't
> want to encourage it
> and prefer that it be restricted to objects which fit this definition:
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/amenity
> If we need a miscellaneous category (I don't think we do, it's just laziness
> to use one) then let's be
> honest about it and call it "miscellaneous" or
> "I_am_too_lazy_to_come_up_with_a_better_key"
> rather than abuse amenity.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
and you forget the digital sign printers that use inktjet printers. Don't try to compare them to the printer on your desk though. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:45 PM Colin Smale wrote: > > On 2018-12-14 15:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > Even so, the primary distinction between a jobbing printer and a > newspaper/book printer is not > the equipment used or the size of the operation but the type of output. That > said, jobbing printers > tend to be smaller than newspaper/book printers and the older/smaller jobbing > printers tend to use letterpress rather than offset litho. > > > A better distinction would be that newspaper presses are web-fed (the paper > comes on huge rolls) not sheet-fed. They also have fully automated collation > and other post-press processing. > > Not sure about book printers... Most likely they use sheet-fed presses for > smaller runs, and web-fed for best sellers. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
On 2018-12-14 15:23, Paul Allen wrote: > Even so, the primary distinction between a jobbing printer and a > newspaper/book printer is not > the equipment used or the size of the operation but the type of output. That > said, jobbing printers > tend to be smaller than newspaper/book printers and the older/smaller jobbing > printers tend to use letterpress rather than offset litho. A better distinction would be that newspaper presses are web-fed (the paper comes on huge rolls) not sheet-fed. They also have fully automated collation and other post-press processing. Not sure about book printers... Most likely they use sheet-fed presses for smaller runs, and web-fed for best sellers.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:28 PM Erkin Alp Güney wrote: > amenity=press anyone? > "Should we go to the park today? Or how about the landscape gardens? Or watch a game of football? Nah, lets go to the press. That will be a lot of tun. Oh damn, this is no fun at all. I thought it was going to be a wine press but it turns out to be a printing press. Now I have ink all over my feet and impressions of letters in the soles of my feet. Next time we'll have to find a different amenity to have fun at." I know there is some use of amenity as a miscellaneous category but I don't want to encourage it and prefer that it be restricted to objects which fit this definition: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/amenity If we need a miscellaneous category (I don't think we do, it's just laziness to use one) then let's be honest about it and call it "miscellaneous" or "I_am_too_lazy_to_come_up_with_a_better_key" rather than abuse amenity. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
amenity=press anyone? Yours, faithfully Erkin Alp ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:11 PM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > I'd say it depends on the size. A small printer that focuses on business > cards, letterheads, > congratulation cards, I'd tag as craft. > A small printer of the sort you describe would usually be described as a jobbing printer. I wouldn't think of a jobbing printer as "craft" in ordinary English usage, although that's where OSM often puts similar trades such as joinery. In ordinary English, calligraphy and sculpting would be crafts whereas printing and joinery would be trades. Even so, the primary distinction between a jobbing printer and a newspaper/book printer is not the equipment used or the size of the operation but the type of output. That said, jobbing printers tend to be smaller than newspaper/book printers and the older/smaller jobbing printers tend to use letterpress rather than offset litho. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
Hello, I would abstain from shop=* as a shop is a place where products can be bought: "/Use shop=* to mark the location of a shop and the products that it *sells*./" [1]. I would also abstain from craft=* as it applies to "/small production of goods *on demand and by order*/" [2] The places where newspapers are printed are called either "printing press" or "printing works", so I'd go for something with either "?=printing_press" or "?=printing_works". As for the key to use, depending on the size of the machines involved, the number of copies printed, the amount of paper used on a daily basis, and the number of workers involved, the place could go from a small office (office=*) to a large industrial building (industrial=*). You know, you decide! :-) Solutions using man_made=works leave me lukewarm, as you'll have to specify the kind of work performed, and (/unhapply, IMHO/) that should be done through the product=* key, but on one hand something like product=printing_press could mean the place where printing presses are actually manufactured and on the other product=newspaper could mean the (/possibly industrial-size/) place wher journalists work to compose the newspaper. It would had been easier if for a finer description of man_made=works we had used an activity=* keyword instead of product=*, but "man_made=works + product=printing_works" can probably be OK too... Cheers, Sergio [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:craft On 2018-12-14 11:09, dktue wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I feel > that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. > > My suggestion would be to go with craft=printer. Any opinions on that? > > Cheers, > dktue > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
On 14.12.2018 11:09, dktue wrote: Hi, I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I feel that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. My suggestion would be to go with craft=printer. Any opinions on that? I'd say it depends on the size. A small printer that focuses on business cards, letterheads, congratulation cards, I'd tag as craft. For a larger one, and probably for the newspapers they have larger machinery, I might go for man_made=works where a subtag product=* is defined. Leaving open how to describe the product. tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
'craft' typically indicates small, artisanal. I would rather go for man_made=works+product=newspaper m. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:13 AM dktue wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I > feel that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. > > My suggestion would be to go with craft=printer. Any opinions on that? > > Cheers, > dktue > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Printing company for newspapers
Hi, I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I feel that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. My suggestion would be to go with craft=printer. Any opinions on that? Cheers, dktue ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
