Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-25 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:16:47AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-04-24 11:01 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: so are you happy that this http://www.bergsteigen.com/klettersteig/trentino-suedtirol/gardasee-berge/ferrata-rino-pisetta is tagged as highway=path ?

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 04:27:23AM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. Would you take a 3 year old along it? Did

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 04:57:06AM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 23.04.2015 11:59, Richard Z. wrote: there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so I have ammended the wiki:

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:16:55AM +1000, Warin wrote: Some minor things .. overhang ? Should not 'covered' be used? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:covered overhang here means an additional technical difficulty of the path. Key:covered could be used in addition to that.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-24 11:01 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: so are you happy that this http://www.bergsteigen.com/klettersteig/trentino-suedtirol/gardasee-berge/ferrata-rino-pisetta is tagged as highway=path ? I believe this clearly isn't a path, at least not at the spot you can see on the

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.04.2015 11:01, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 04:27:23AM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. Would

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.04.2015 05:02, Warin wrote: The essence of a modern via ferrata is a steel cable which runs along the route and is periodically (every 3 to 10 metres (9.8 to 32.8 ft)) fixed to the rock. So you certainly agree that this is safer than an unsecured path. Nevertheless, a ferrata cannot be

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Warin
Some minor things .. overhang ? Should not 'covered' be used? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:covered Even more trivial ... Oneway .. should include the information that it is on the direction of the way ... -1 for reverse direction. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway

[Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so I have ammended the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Criteria_for_taging_as_either_via_ferrata_or_path Richard ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread johnw
The ones in Japan ( I have seen) are chains. Some routes are easily passible without chains, some are beyond vertical in spots with the chain to climb. And grandpas were climbing them with a pair of gloves. occasionally there were big anchor rings used as handholds. For the easier and

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. Would you take a 3 year old along it? Did you read the discussion tab? Farratas are not more difficult nor more

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 23.04.2015 11:59, Richard Z. wrote: there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so I have ammended the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Criteria_for_taging_as_either_via_ferrata_or_path use highway=via_ferrata where people commonly use

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Warin
On 24/04/2015 12:27 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. Would you take a 3 year old along it? Did you read the discussion