Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-03 Thread Michał Brzozowski
This (importance ranking) is something I thought recently. How about devising a data-driven importance rank? One could priotitize POI that have a Wikipedia page or even grab publicly available pageview stats from them. There are numerous ways to implement something good enough, you just have to be

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread Andrew Errington
> From this it sounds like this tagging in OSM is relying too much on > official classification rather than on real road importance. > > I have always maintained that this is the right way to do it. Official classification is objective and easy to verify. "real road importance" is purely

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 16:32:07 +0900 Andrew Errington wrote: > > From this it sounds like this tagging in OSM is relying too much on > > official classification rather than on real road importance. > > > > > I have always maintained that this is the right way to do it. > >

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Andrew Errington wrote: > I think that for any particular country, the official classification > hierarchy should be mapped on to the OSM hierarchy. If this is not Countries are different in this regard. For example, here we use the official classification for all rural state operated roads, and

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Generally following official classification is a good idea (otherwise > it will be inconsistent) but some exceptions should be expected. > > Also, there are many ways to map official classification on to OSM >

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 06:54:04 +0900 John Willis wrote: > > > > On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Paul Johnson > > wrote: > > > > presently traverses a staircase! > > I currently forget which, but a national road in Japan officially > becomes a staircase near its

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 02.09.2015 15:55, John Willis napisał(a): But - most importantly - this implementation is what japanese people expect and require from their maps, as the shape of the roads gives users a spatial awareness of where they are - and changing those roads means making an "inferior" map.

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:17 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > It also means that real importance could be tagged one day instead of > "official" importance, so we have at least something proper once people will > have what they really want anyway. =} Rant: I agree that

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > From this it sounds like this tagging in OSM is relying too much on > official classification rather than on real road importance. And similar to someone printing out an email and faxing it to someone, we have

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > presently traverses a staircase! I currently forget which, but a national road in Japan officially becomes a staircase near its terminus, as the government managed "road" is significant older than cars, and for

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:59:32 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > On 01/09/2015 12:52, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > - I am speaking about value of highway tag in OSM, not the official > >classification (in many places these may be the same or strongly > >related - but it

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway section "International equivalence" seems to address the point in question for "motorway" Similar equivalence sections are present in the wiki pages for trunk and primary, tertiary (but only for two countries) They are missing for lower

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > But for example Japan has "national highways" - that generally are > equivalent of highway=trunk (according to > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging ) but "Note that a > little part of Japanese National

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:54 PM, John Willis wrote: > > > > On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > presently traverses a staircase! > > I currently forget which, but a national road in Japan officially becomes > a staircase near its terminus,

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 01.09.2015 14:55, Volker Schmidt napisał(a): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway [1] section "International equivalence" seems to address the point in question for "motorway" Similar equivalence sections are present in the wiki pages for trunk and primary, tertiary