Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[johnw]

> On Dec 13, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
>> Am 13.12.2015 um 12:22 schrieb moltonel > >:
>> 
>> Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they are 
>> mapworthy. And the subtags to express these are internet_access:access and 
>> internet_access:fee (with the usual values of the access and fee tags).
> 
> 
> +1, it's still some kind of service IMHO mapworthy and particularly helpful 
> for tourists 


+1 

In Japan, there is very very little "free wifi" for customers or tourists, 
especially compared to the US. only a few chains, like Starbucks, offer 'free' 
wifi to any guest. Most places offer carrier based offload wifi (get the data 
off the cell networks) that are not user selectable or configurable (it is all 
done automatically by the phone, and is not for guests). Most rural hotels 
still don't have any wifi. This is changing, (probably more so in Tokyo) but in 
non-tokyo places, "where is 'open' wifi?" is a big deal for visitors. 

Mapping which train stations have "visitor" wifi (for foreign tourists only), 
or which have truly selectable access=customer wifi is really really useful - 
more useful than it would be in the US, where access=customer wifi is so 
prevalent that it is almost expected at any cafe or hotel. 

I haven't been following this thread (so I might be mentioning something 
already discussed), but I would like to mention that operator or brand or 
network is very important. Some are cell service specific (Only Softbank 
network customers [access=private]), some are open if you are a wifi partner 
member (Fon [access=customers / fee=yes]), and some are open with a free 
account (starbucks [access=customers / fee=no]),  so letting people know what 
network operates them (if applicable) is useful. 

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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 13.12.2015 um 12:22 schrieb moltonel :
> 
> Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they are 
> mapworthy. And the subtags to express these are internet_access:access and 
> internet_access:fee (with the usual values of the access and fee tags).


+1, it's still some kind of service IMHO mapworthy and particularly helpful for 
tourists 


cheers 
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Philip Barnes]

You also get wifi hotspots built into domestic routers.

In the UK BT are the most common, in fact it is difficult to be in a
residential area and not see one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Wi-fi

Customers have access to these, and the public can sign up to use them.

These probably wouldn't be tagged, it is certainly difficult to work
out where they actually are as they do not advertise the location as 42
Acacia Avenue.

Phil (trigpoint)



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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[moltonel]

On 13 December 2015 12:02:22 GMT+00:00, Richard  wrote:
>On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 11:22:53AM +, moltonel wrote:
>> Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they
>are mapworthy. And the subtags to express these are
>internet_access:access and internet_access:fee (with the usual values
>of the access and fee tags).
>
>Depends on how you interpret customer-only: I would map internet cafes
>which 
>are customer-only but not hotel wifis which are available only for
>overnight
>guests.

By definition, overnight guests are customers. While some hotels do not mind if 
you come in just for the wifi without even buying a coffee, some will. In my 
experience, most free wifi is actually (intended to be) customers-only, even if 
most osm contributors don't bother to tag it.

>Also would not map hotspots which require eg a monthly subscription.

Do you make a difference between monthly and sorter timespan ? Is tacit 
reconduction the issue ? In any case, the *:fee tag should be used. When you're 
abroad, even a cumbersome signup process might be worth it.
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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Richard]

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 11:22:53AM +, moltonel wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13 December 2015 00:08:16 GMT+00:00, Hans De Kryger 
>  wrote:
> >> What would be the point of tagging non-public Wi-Fi?
> >>
> >> Do you mean Wi-Fi for customer use only?
> >> ​  ​
> >My bad i meant ​(wifi_public=yes​)
> >​ and i'm not sure that tag would be necessary at all. Public wifi
> >should only be tagged.​
> 
> Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they are 
> mapworthy. And the subtags to express these are internet_access:access and 
> internet_access:fee (with the usual values of the access and fee tags).

Depends on how you interpret customer-only: I would map internet cafes which 
are customer-only but not hotel wifis which are available only for overnight
guests.

Also would not map hotspots which require eg a monthly subscription.

Richard

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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks everyone for your responses!
On Dec 13, 2015 4:22 AM, "moltonel"  wrote:

>
>
> On 13 December 2015 00:08:16 GMT+00:00, Hans De Kryger <
> hans.dekryge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> What would be the point of tagging non-public Wi-Fi?
> >>
> >> Do you mean Wi-Fi for customer use only?
> >> ​  ​
> >My bad i meant ​(wifi_public=yes​)
> >​ and i'm not sure that tag would be necessary at all. Public wifi
> >should only be tagged.​
>
> Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they are
> mapworthy. And the subtags to express these are internet_access:access and
> internet_access:fee (with the usual values of the access and fee tags).
> --
> Vincent Dp
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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[moltonel]

On 13 December 2015 00:08:16 GMT+00:00, Hans De Kryger 
 wrote:
>> What would be the point of tagging non-public Wi-Fi?
>>
>> Do you mean Wi-Fi for customer use only?
>> ​  ​
>My bad i meant ​(wifi_public=yes​)
>​ and i'm not sure that tag would be necessary at all. Public wifi
>should only be tagged.​

Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they are 
mapworthy. And the subtags to express these are internet_access:access and 
internet_access:fee (with the usual values of the access and fee tags).
-- 
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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Hans De Kryger]

*Regards,*

*Hans*

*http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
*

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On 12 December 2015 at 03:28, Hans De Kryger 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm assuming (Wifi=yes) (wifi_public=no) But can't find any accepted
> tags in
> > the wiki. Any suggestions?
>
> What would be the point of tagging non-public Wi-Fi?
>
> Do you mean Wi-Fi for customer use only?
>
> ​  ​
M
​y bad i meant ​
(wifi_public=
​yes​
)
​ and i'm not sure that tag would be necessary at all. Public wifi should
only be tagged.​

> --
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> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Andy Mabbett]

On 12 December 2015 at 03:28, Hans De Kryger  wrote:

> I'm assuming (Wifi=yes) (wifi_public=no) But can't find any accepted tags in
> the wiki. Any suggestions?

What would be the point of tagging non-public Wi-Fi?

Do you mean Wi-Fi for customer use only?

-- 
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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[ajt1...@gmail.com]

On 12/12/2015 06:35, Michał Brzozowski wrote:

There's widely supported internet_access tag.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:internet_access




Taginfo has 58k internet_access:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/internet_access

Of which 33k are wlan:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/internet_access=wlan

"wifi" is also in fairly wide use (10k objects)

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wifi

Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Michał Brzozowski]

There's widely supported internet_access tag.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:internet_access

Michał

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[Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

[Hans De Kryger]

I'm assuming (Wifi=yes) (wifi_public=no) But can't find any accepted tags
in the wiki. Any suggestions?
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