Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-07 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Matej Lieskovský wrote: > I have no idea where you map, but here, >90% of roads never even heard about > cycleways. For us here, it makes sense to consider cycleway=no to be > implicit, as the information that someone surveyed it is not worth the extra > tags. Your

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:23 AM, Matej Lieskovský wrote: > Someone in the Netherlands might want to assume cycleway=both as the > default. (The cycleway tag is just an example here.) > Maybe for older roads; newer roads would be cycleway=no with parallel cycleways on either side, for which oneway

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-05 Thread Matej Lieskovský
Ok. Look. I wrote a long rant about how cycleway=no is a horrible idea and then I deleted it. I have no idea where you map, but here, >90% of roads never even heard about cycleways. For us here, it makes sense to consider cycleway=no to be implicit, as the information that someone surveyed it is no

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-05 Thread Fernando Trebien
Well, by not adding tags with assumed default values, we simply cannot distinguish them from the situation where they have not been verified. For instance, some mappers don't care about cycleways but still map streets. How can somebody that cares about cycleways know that they should verify the pr

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-04 Thread Matej Lieskovský
I agree that this deserves a separate topic, but I want to respond to some points you made. I don't like the highway_defaults idea. Default values should be assumed whenever they are not explicitly given. I don't think that a tag that states "most of those are probably going to be correct" is usef

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Matej Lieskovský wrote: > 1) If we try to add every possible tag to every element, the DB will be > immense and the OWG will try to kill us. Imagine every road having access > tags. Should roads have tunnel=no? I will digress a bit, as I believe this should be a se

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 4 January 2018 11:57:05 GMT+00:00, "Matej Lieskovský" wrote: >While considering the absence of a value to imply that it is unknown is >an >elegant solution theoretically, I think it has two major problems: >1) If we try to add every possible tag to every element, the DB will be >immense and

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-04 Thread Matej Lieskovský
While considering the absence of a value to imply that it is unknown is an elegant solution theoretically, I think it has two major problems: 1) If we try to add every possible tag to every element, the DB will be immense and the OWG will try to kill us. Imagine every road having access tags. Shoul

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2018-01-03 Thread Fernando Trebien
Tag absence has never been defined clearly in OSM. Some think of it as meaning "the tag has the default value," others think "the value of the tag is still unknown," which seems to be the most common understanding (that's why noname=* exists). I always add tags in their default value to express th

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2017-12-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
Wish for the New Year: a world where all streets have cycleways and hence cycleway=no is a useful tag to indicate the few exceptions. More realistically, cycleway=no is useful to indicate that someone has verified there is no cycleway. For example to indicate that the large sidewalk that is clearl

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2017-12-25 Thread Dave Swarthout
This sounds similar to those that suggested adding oneway=no to all streets that are not explicitly tagged as oneway=yes. All roads without cycleways could conceivably be tagged this way. Unless there is some cause for such a tag, for example, noting that a cycleway once existed here but is no long

Re: [Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2017-12-25 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 26. 12. 17 à 00:22, Dave F a écrit : > There's been quite a few recent additions of 'cycleway:both=no' being > added by users of StreetComplete. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8609990 > > There's no mention of this tag on the wiki & to me appears a bit > ambiguous. Most (all?)

[Tagging] cycleway:both=no in StreetComplete

2017-12-25 Thread Dave F
Hi There's been quite a few recent additions of 'cycleway:both=no' being added by users of StreetComplete. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8609990 There's no mention of this tag on the wiki & to me appears a bit ambiguous. Most (all?) are the sole cycle tag on the entity. Both=no suggests