Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-21 Thread Tobias Zwick
> Alex noted that he found that the "lane" value might have a different > meaning already. I'll look into that and come up with an alternative. I did this now, I looked for in which situations ... parking:lane:*:parallel = lane parking:lane:*:parallel = on_lane parking:lane:*:parallel = in_lane

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Tobias Zwick
You stated how you would tag that, which I'd summarize as > Any parking on the street surface is subtracted from the lanes as the > lanes-tag first and foremost indicates the number of usable lanes, not > the number of marked lanes Ok, so apparently there is no consensus on that if there are mar

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Nov 20, 2020, 11:47 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Am Fr., 20. Nov. 2020 um 11:28 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny <> > matkoni...@tutanota.com> >: > >> This seems unlikely, with 0 lanes it would mean that cars inside are blocked >> and unable to leave. >> > > > that's not the meaning of "lanes", l

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 20. Nov. 2020 um 11:28 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > This seems unlikely, with 0 lanes it would mean that cars inside are > blocked > and unable to leave. > that's not the meaning of "lanes", lanes=0 would mean that there are no traffic lanes. (this is what

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Nov 20, 2020, 11:03 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Am Fr., 20. Nov. 2020 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> >: > >> I would describe >> https://westnordost.de/misc/2or1lanes.jpg>> as road >> with >> - one lane driveable by full-size vehicles >> -

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 20. Nov. 2020 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > I would describe https://westnordost.de/misc/2or1lanes.jpg as road > with > - one lane driveable by full-size vehicles > - one parking lane > really? And if vehicles would be parking on both

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Mark Wagner via Tagging
In most if not all of the United States, the cars *would* be parked illegally: most places have a law stating that you can't park on the side of the road if doing so would obstruct traffic. For example, from the Spokane Municipal Code: > It is unlawful for any person to park, or leave parked, a

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I would describe https://westnordost.de/misc/2or1lanes.jpg as road with - one lane driveable by full-size vehicles - one parking lane And tag it as: lanes=1 parking:lane:both=parallel (judging from what is visible about left side) Additional detail that I am generally not tagging may specify for

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Tobias Zwick
For the smart (the white car), the same rules apply as if it was overtaking the parked cars, it may only pass once the other side is free. The signs on the right say "no stopping", arrow to the left means "no stopping starts here", arrow to the right means "...and ends here". They are just the

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Tobias Zwick
Okay, but the data consumer won't know how you reached that decision (to count it or not). So whoever attempts a visualization of the data will have no idea whether to put the parking lane next to the rest of the street or put it "on top" (see https://westnordost.de/misc/parallel_parking_lane.p

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 00:22, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > https://westnordost.de/misc/2or1lanes.jpg > > It is a residential road marked clearly for 2 lanes, so it seems obvious > to tag it with lanes=2. But on the other hand, you'll notice that there > are parking cars on the right side that effectiv

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Andrew Harvey
The way I understood the tagging guidelines was that if there was nobody parked there, could you drive along the lane as usual. If you can't then I wouldn't include it as lanes=* and only tag it as parking:lane. If you can drive along it when vacant, but you can still legally park there then I'd in

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 06:17 2020-11-19, Tobias Zwick đã viết: Hello all First of all, in the past, we have explored many edge cases for the lanes-tag in various discussions and I am happy that for the most part, it seems to be quite well defined by now. However, there is one edge case which is not uncommon

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Alex
I'm not sure if your first case (https://westnordost.de/misc/2or1lanes.jpg) should be mapped as parallel parking at all or if it's illegal parking and should actually be no_parking or no_stopping (maybe depends on the local legislation or permanence of the situation)? I recently discussed a similar

[Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Tobias Zwick
Hello all First of all, in the past, we have explored many edge cases for the lanes-tag in various discussions and I am happy that for the most part, it seems to be quite well defined by now. However, there is one edge case which is not uncommon at all but still unclear or awkward to tag. Loo