Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-04 22:56 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: This discussion comes late. Both natural=ridge and natural=arete have been approved by voting just 2 years ago. arguably it is not too late, there are only 450 uses of arete by now (and 17K+ ridges). Please also note that the tag

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 10:01:47AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-11-04 22:56 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: This discussion comes late. Both natural=ridge and natural=arete have been approved by voting just 2 years ago. arguably it is not too late, there are

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-05 12:23 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: after two years in the wiki where it was marked as approved and active it would not appear as a great idea to declare the vote for invalid based on nitpicking formalities, how many votes were missing for approval? it was 50% missing

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 05.11.2014 10:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: arguably it is not too late, there are only 450 uses of arete by now (and 17K+ ridges). 450 uses are quite a lot for a feature that is constantly ignored by renderers. For the same reason, I suppose that some of the 17K+ ridges were created by

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 05.11.2014 12:23, Richard Z. wrote: Another reason I don't like current arete/ridge state is that some ridges are very long - and they may be partially arete and ridge in different segments. Having a way that is tagged partially as natural=ridge and partially as natural=arete seems like a

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
This doesn't matter in this particular case, because natural=ridge and natural=arete were approved at the same time. It is about futureproof solution - new values may appear and break existing data consumers. Adding subtags would not cause problems like this. That's why we have a wiki with

[Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, following some discussions on github (1) and talk-at (2) I have tried to clarify the definition of natural=ridge in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:natural%3Dridgediff=1104725oldid=998905 Not sure if this is good enough, personaly I would prefer a single ridge

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I think that natural=arete should be rather subtag of natural=ridge (natural=ridge; ridge=arete). It is opening way for next specialized tags - what will make using data significantly harder. 2014-11-04 13:58 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Hi, following some discussions on github

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-04 13:58 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: personaly I would prefer a single ridge key with additional subkeys denoting properties such as gentle,sharp, cliff ridges. +1 or the subkey variant Mateusz has offered. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 04.11.2014 14:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I think that natural=arete should be rather subtag of natural=ridge (natural=ridge; ridge=arete). This discussion comes late. Both natural=ridge and natural=arete have been approved by voting just 2 years ago. And I think that there's nothing wrong

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Whether to use subtags is mainly a matter of taste. No. Lets say that there is something with four main values that are noticeable for general public and several subtypes, important for specialists. For data consumers interested in just four values version with subtags is vastly easier to use