> On 15. Aug 2020, at 12:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> >
> > I do see these issues with adding sidewalks and cycle paths, where we have
> > a similar choice between mapping as separate objects or as road property.
>
> it is often perceived
Martin Koppenhoefer:
> I think we can assume that a line of trees in the middle is sufficient to
> make mappers use 2 highways instead of 1!? How can we distinguish between
> the following sections
> tree - road - tree - road - tree
> and
> tree - road - tree - tree - road - tree
> and
> tree -
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> On 15. Aug 2020, at 17:31, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> a continuous line of evenly spaced trees at both sides, sometimes also in the
> middle, sometimes double or triple rows at each side, often with a separately
> lined cycleway and tree_lined ditches.
thank you for
Nederland has an awful lot of ways, waterways, railways, rivers, parkings,
churchyards, and other linear and area features which are lined with a row
of trees. And if I say a row of trees, think of 10 Km almost straight with
a continuous line of evenly spaced trees at both sides, sometimes also in
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>> On 15. Aug 2020, at 13:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
> I oppose such potential removal
here is an example:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways
this is maybe not bad as a general overview, but then it duplicates significant
part of the information
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> On 15. Aug 2020, at 13:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
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> I oppose such potential removal
referring to which page?
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15 Aug 2020, 12:47 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> would suggest to create a single wiki page for tree-lined road mapping, so
>> that we have one place where we describe the three
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> On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
> would suggest to create a single wiki page for tree-lined road mapping, so
> that we have one place where we describe the three different approaches for
> mapping them.
we have one place (the wiki) and the possible
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> On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
> I do see these issues with adding sidewalks and cycle paths, where we have a
> similar choice between mapping as separate objects or as road property.
it is often perceived as an either or choice, but there is no
I love tree-lined roads in the country side or in city settings.
I would love a router that I could instruct to find them for me.
For travelling by car and by bicycle.
In past periods trees were part of the road.
I like the idea of easily adding this feature to the map.
But I also fear the
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 14:33, Paul Allen via Tagging
> mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org]> wrote:
> Is there a serious need (other than, say, one person's dissertation) to
> perform
> database queries to find objects that are tree-lined? I can see the need to
> find the nearest car park with
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 23:56, Paul Allen wrote:
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> I'd almost think you were talking of the landscaping feature of private
> gardens known as an avenue
yes, think of these, but also on public roads (although they’re an ornamental
feature and not just functional),
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 22:04, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 22:50, Paul Allen wrote:
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> Trees at
> the side of the road are an incidental. Fields at the side of the road
> are an
> incidental. Quaint houses at the side of the road are an incidental.
>
>
>
> no, the trees
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 22:50, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> Trees at
> the side of the road are an incidental. Fields at the side of the road are an
> incidental. Quaint houses at the side of the road are an incidental.
no, the trees we are looking at are not incidental, they are
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 15:56, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> > On 14. Aug 2020, at 16:45, Paul Allen wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't use this attribute on anything around here.
>
>
> that’s fine. Apparently this attribute wasn’t created for an area like
> yours.
Apparently not.
Nobody said you
Aug 14, 2020, 16:04 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe outright recommending removal after trees are mapped would be even
>> better?
>>
>
>
> vandalism
>
This is typically used for
On 2020-08-14 10:48 a.m., Paul Allen wrote:
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>
> 3) That, one day, routers might preferentially route along tree-lined
> roads
> rather than non-tree-lined roads, in the same way they preferentially
> route
> along lit roads. Do any route along lit roads? I can see that a
> router which
>
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 16:45, Paul Allen wrote:
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> I wouldn't use this attribute on anything around here.
that’s fine. Apparently this attribute wasn’t created for an area like yours.
Nobody said you should use it. There are other areas in the world where these
are
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 15:07, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> > On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe outright recommending removal after trees are mapped would be even
> better?
>
> vandalism. It’s like suggesting removing
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 14:55, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> indeed I would not suggest to use this on polygons, rather for linear
> features like roads and waterways. I’m specifically interested in roads
> with associated, purposefully planted tree roads (shade, scenic effect).
>
Around here
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
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> Maybe outright recommending removal after trees are mapped would be even
> better?
vandalism. It’s like suggesting removing the lit tag after street lamps have
been added. Or some landuse after
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 16:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> We are also mapping buildings and residential landuse and distinguishing
> residential roads.
or street lights and the lit property on roads.
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:37, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
> Apart from that I would not advocate "overlapping" mapping with three
> different schemes: individual trees a separate nodes, tree lines as separate
> ways, and the new proposal.
> On any given object there should
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:35, Paul Allen wrote:
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> I still do not see a purpose for the attribute except as a convenient way
> of avoiding mapping tree rows.
routing. While it is not impossible to find tree lined roads by analyzing the
context, it is an expensive
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 13:13, Paul Allen wrote:
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> What if the trees line only
> three of four sides? Or there aresome sizable gaps for the entrances?
indeed I would not suggest to use this on polygons, rather for linear features
like roads and waterways. I’m
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 13:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> Maybe outright recommending removal after trees are mapped would be even
> better?
>
Yes.
But we all know that many people don't read the wiki, they just go by what
the editor gives them. They
Aug 14, 2020, 14:35 by vosc...@gmail.com:
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>
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 13:41 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging, <>
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
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>> I feel that tree_lined=separate should be used if trees are separately mapped
>>
>
> This would make it worse because you would have to add
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 08:34, Paul Allen wrote:
> I still do not see a purpose for the attribute
That's not what the discussion is about though. The attribute has
already been used 1000 times so the wiki page is documenting the fact
that others saw a purpose for it.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 13:41 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging, <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> I feel that tree_lined=separate should be used if trees are separately
> mapped
>
This would make it worse because you would have to add this to all objects
with tree lines already tagged with
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 12:41, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> I feel that tree_lined=separate should be used if trees are separately
> mapped
>
What purpose does tree_lined=separate serve? Inspection of the map shows
the object is tree-lined.
I still do not
I feel that tree_lined=separate should be used if trees are separately mapped
Aug 14, 2020, 01:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
> I’ve set up an initial documentation page for the tree_lined attribute (used
> mainly in conjunction with highways and waterways) and welcome comments for
> it:
>
>
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 11:55, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> as it is stated in the page, you should not do it. Having the individual
> trees mapped does not change the property of the road as being tree lined.
> Similarly, you can map individual trees within a tree row, but you do not
> have
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 12:13, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>
> Q: if I mark a road as tree_lined=both and later map all the individual
> trees, do I remove the tree_lined=both tag as I now have finer detail?
as it is stated in the page, you should not do it. Having the individual
Q: if I mark a road as tree_lined=both and later map all the individual
trees, do I remove the tree_lined=both tag as I now have finer detail?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:45 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
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> > On 14. Aug 2020, at 06:57, Peter Elderson wrote:
> >
> > I can
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> On 14. Aug 2020, at 06:57, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> I can see how an area such as a parking, a churchyard or pedestrian area can
> be tree lined.
I can also see this, but I’m not sure we should use this tag for it. Placement
on area (borders) will vary a lot, and it
On 8/13/20 23:55, Peter Elderson wrote:
> I can see how an area such as a parking, a churchyard or pedestrian area
> can be tree lined. A node feature, not so much.
For example, A parking area mapped as only a node for the center could
still have this attribute.
--
Shawn K. Quinn
I can see how an area such as a parking, a churchyard or pedestrian area
can be tree lined. A node feature, not so much.
Best, Peter Elderson
Op vr 14 aug. 2020 om 01:08 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
> I’ve set up an initial documentation page for the tree_lined
I’ve set up an initial documentation page for the tree_lined attribute (used
mainly in conjunction with highways and waterways) and welcome comments for it:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tree_lined
This used to be a redirect to natural=tree_row (which is a different tag, as it
is
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