Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-09 Thread Tom Pfeifer
I appreciate amenity=place_of_mourning. tom On 09.11.2020 10:15, woll...@posteo.de wrote: OK, so I haven't really done all the counting, but my impression is that amenity=place_of_mourning has quite some fans while most of the others are at least able to swallow it. Unless anyone explains me

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-09 Thread wolle68
OK, so I haven't really done all the counting, but my impression is that amenity=place_of_mourning has quite some fans while most of the others are at least able to swallow it. Unless anyone explains me that I got that wrong, I think I'll move the proposal there then. Am 05.11.2020 09:43

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 14:26, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I note that "visitation room" is a term that describes "A room designated > in the funeral home for the deceased to lie before the funeral so that > people can view the deceased." > I hadn't come across the term in the UK, but that

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-07 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I note that "visitation room" is a term that describes "A room designated in the funeral home for the deceased to lie before the funeral so that people can view the deceased." Conveniently, it carries no religious connotation. Some cursory searching indicates that this term is in use both in the

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I agree that my examples are outliers in the key. However, I was pointing out the existence of a small collection of outliers for cases where the *place* was too hard to describe and therefore the *thing *or *service *was described instead. So if we find ourselves in the position where the place

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Nov 2020, at 16:47, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > We use amenity=ice_cream and not amenity=ice_cream_parlor, because "ice > cream" is the amenity being offered. ice cream is more outlier than regular though. And amenity=ice_cream is not just for ice cream

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I'm not able to find any website which clearly talks about a specific > "mourning room", though it is certainly documented that the front room of a > house, often known as a "parlour" at the time, would be used to view the > corpse of a

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Peter Elderson
In Nederland it is a normal option to arrange a temporary mourning room ("rouwkamer") in the house. Any room could be used. I don't think this counts as a mappable amenity. Most people, though, use a permanent mourning facility, usually with several viewing/mourning rooms because people do not

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
That is clear and unambiguous terminology that is not religion-specific. I would support this. On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 2:10 PM António Madeira via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > In many modern places near cemeteries there's not a room, but several. > So, I would prefer

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread António Madeira via Tagging
In many modern places near cemeteries there's not a room, but several. So, I would prefer amenity=place_of_mourning Às 12:39 de 05/11/2020, Peter Elderson escreveu: rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning acceptable, though I think an

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I'm not able to find any website which clearly talks about a specific "mourning room", though it is certainly documented that the front room of a house, often known as a "parlour" at the time, would be used to view the corpse of a deceased family member. This practice is still common in Southeast

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:19, Steve Doerr wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:14 PM Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:46, wrote: >> >>> > >> amenity=mourning_room >>> >> >> Unacceptable. "Mourning room" was the old name for what is now >> known as a "living room" (and was also

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Steve Doerr
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:14 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:46, wrote: > >> > amenity=mourning_room >> > > Unacceptable. "Mourning room" was the old name for what is now > known as a "living room" (and was also known as a "parlour"), A > room in somebody's house which was

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
> > > amenity=deceased_viewing >> > > That almost works. But it's a verb not a noun, an activity not a place. > With additional words it could work, but it would be rather inelegantly > named. > We use amenity=ice_cream and not amenity=ice_cream_parlor, because "ice cream" is the amenity being

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Peter Elderson
> rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? > > amenity=mourning > acceptable, though I think an amenity should be a feature, not an activity > amenity=place_of_mourning > favourable. Secondary tags could add details if necessary > amenity=mourning_room >

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:46, wrote: > > amenity=mourning > Barely acceptable. It's a verb not a noun, an activity not a place. amenity=place_of_mourning > Acceptable. Some would say mourning could happen anywhere, and not necessarily for the dead. But those people miss an important fact

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Nov 5, 2020, 09:43 by woll...@posteo.de: > Thanks for all the interventions. > > To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate > the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? > > amenity=mourning > unfavourable (unclear) >

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
woll...@posteo.de: Thanks for all the interventions. To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning favorable amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room acceptable

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Robert Delmenico
All of these would be acceptable to me - Preference from highest to lowest: amenity=deceased_viewing amenity=viewing_arrangements amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room amenity=mourning Rob On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 19:45, wrote: > Thanks for all the interventions. > > To avoid that the

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread wolle68
Thanks for all the interventions. To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room amenity=viewing_arrangements amenity=deceased_viewing