Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-13 Thread johnw
In Japan and Korea, do you tend to have isolated farmhouses, each on its own farm (the most common pattern in the USA), or do the farmers tend to settle in villages, from which they travel out to their farms (the traditional European format)? TL;DR: Japan once followed the European

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread Andrew Errington
This is the same in Korea. Tagging the roads based on their physical characteristics (such as roadsign type, and with or without centre lines) is an excellent way to avoid subjective judgements. Roads that go somewhere, but have no painted line, are unclassified. These roads we are talking

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread Andrew Errington
I think Javbw and I are in agreement, but I don't think a subtag is required. Just highway=service (and no service=* tag). Andrew On 13 July 2015 at 10:22, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: This is the same in Korea. Tagging the roads based on their physical characteristics (such

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread John Eldredge
In Japan and Korea, do you tend to have isolated farmhouses, each on its own farm (the most common pattern in the USA), or do the farmers tend to settle in villages, from which they travel out to their farms (the traditional European format)? Another pattern in the US, among small communities

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread johnw
On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 11.07.2015 um 14:43 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: I look forward to more feedback before drawing up a wiki page, but you can see my reasoning and 2 good examples below.

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread John Willis
On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have to raise your current unclassified roads to tertiary to make room for these roads in question? Japan tagging rules (on the wiki) states only roads with a painted center line can be tagged

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread johnw
On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: agricultural traffic The farmers access their fields using small, yet common kei trucks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck) that are used all over Japan in

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 12.07.2015 um 03:39 schrieb Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com: To me, the hierarchy is obvious: motorway, trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary, unclassified, service, residential, track almost agree but would switch service and residential cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 11.07.2015 um 14:43 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: I look forward to more feedback before drawing up a wiki page, but you can see my reasoning and 2 good examples below. This is something not covered well by track+grade1 IMO and below unclassified IMO. if

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 11.07.2015 um 14:43 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Maybe this occurs in Europe too, Europe is big and diverse, it really depends on the country and place. There're huge differences regarding the road structure (and not only) between the German south west and the

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 12.07.2015 um 02:07 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: Imagine you live on a farm and you’ve never seen a a big city's alley - how would you explain why there is a narrow road next to the main road? my guess is that the reason for these roads is agricultural traffic

[Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-11 Thread John Willis
I want to make a new definition for the the service=subkey to better define highway=service when used to map the the odd public, maintained, paved, yet extremely narrow, meandering, and often parallel or inconvenient nature of a lot of rural roads in Asia that are used to access sections of

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-11 Thread johnw
On Jul 12, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: What you are trying to map is a landuse rather than the highways service? Imagine you live on a farm and you’ve never seen a a big city's alley - how would you explain why there is a narrow road next to the main road? the main

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-11 Thread Andrew Errington
I think an additional tag is not necessary. I think is is sufficient to tag them with highway=service. Remember, service=* is simply clarifying the kind of service road. They are definitely not tracks. I remember the discussion about clarifying track grade 1 and I thought it was stretching a

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-11 Thread johnw
On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: I think is is sufficient to tag them with highway=service. Remember, service=* is simply clarifying the kind of service road. yep, Just looking to document this use of highway=service To me, the hierarchy is

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-11 Thread Warin
On 11/07/2015 10:43 PM, John Willis wrote: I want to make a new definition for the the service=subkey to better define highway=service when used to map the the odd public, maintained, paved, yet extremely narrow, meandering, and often parallel or inconvenient nature of a lot of rural roads in