Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Hubert]

Hi.

 

I always tag it

“sidewalk:right:width=*”

I place sidewalk in front, because clusters all relevant sidewalk tags in a 
single namespace. 

 

Yours Hubert

From: Warin [mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Donnerstag, 24. September 2015 11:19
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

 

On 24/09/2015 7:06 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote:

How to tag the width of the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:

highway=...
sidewalk=both|left|right

 

There are few uses of 

sidewalk:width=

and just a handful of 

width:sidewalk=

 

Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?

 


The 'sidewalk' on one side may have a different width to that of the other 
side. So 
width:sidewalk=   

maybe best as one could then use
width:sidewalk:left= 
and
width:sidewalk:right= 

? 

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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Christian Pietzsch]

I'm still having my problems with separate sidewalks if they are attached
directly to the street. Most (all) routing engines will make bigger detours
to the next intersection instead of simply crossing the street. For example
(
https://graphhopper.com/maps/?point=51.047343%2C12.797796=51.047138%2C12.798085=de-DE=foot=fastest=true=Omniscale
)
And in my opinion it doesn't follow the on-the-ground rule either because
there are two separated way while in reality you could easily get from one
to the other.


2015-09-24 12:33 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny :

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:06:28 +0200
> Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> >  How to tag the
> > width of the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:
> > highway=...
> > sidewalk=both|left|right
> >
> > There are few uses of
> > sidewalk:width=
> > and just a handful of
> > width:sidewalk=
> >
> > Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?
>
> With so detailed tagging I would simply mark sidewalk as a separate
> highway=footway + footway=sidewalk.
>
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Christian Pietzsch]

This form isn't used very often. taginfo shows that these things all get
into suffixes.sidewalk:right:width and sidewalk:left:width are often used
together to indicate that the left sidewalk and the right are not equal. (
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sidewalk%3Aright%3Awidth#combinations)

2015-09-24 11:19 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> On 24/09/2015 7:06 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
> How to tag the width of the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:
> highway=...
> sidewalk=both|left|right
>
> There are few uses of
> sidewalk:width=
> and just a handful of
> width:sidewalk=
>
> Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?
>
>
> The 'sidewalk' on one side may have a different width to that of the other
> side. So
> width:sidewalk=
>
> maybe best as one could then use
> width:sidewalk:left=
> and
> width:sidewalk:right=
>
> ?
>
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:06:28 +0200
Volker Schmidt  wrote:

>  How to tag the
> width of the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:
> highway=...
> sidewalk=both|left|right
> 
> There are few uses of
> sidewalk:width=
> and just a handful of
> width:sidewalk=
> 
> Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?

With so detailed tagging I would simply mark sidewalk as a separate
highway=footway + footway=sidewalk.

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[Tagging] sidewalk width

[Volker Schmidt]

 How to tag the width of
the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:
highway=...
sidewalk=both|left|right

There are few uses of
sidewalk:width=
and just a handful of
width:sidewalk=

Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Warin]

On 24/09/2015 7:06 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote:

How to tag the width of the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:
highway=...
sidewalk=both|left|right

There are few uses of
sidewalk:width=
and just a handful of
width:sidewalk=

Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?



The 'sidewalk' on one side may have a different width to that of the 
other side. So

width:sidewalk=

maybe best as one could then use
width:sidewalk:left=
and
width:sidewalk:right=

?
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Christian Pietzsch]

There are quite a few uses of sidewalk:(direction):width.(
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sidewalk) I think that's the best
practice so far.

2015-09-24 11:06 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt :

> How to tag the width of
> the sidewalks when using the tagging scheme:
> highway=...
> sidewalk=both|left|right
>
> There are few uses of
> sidewalk:width=
> and just a handful of
> width:sidewalk=
>
> Any other ways of tagging without drawing separate ways for sidewalks?
>
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Volker Schmidt]

@Christian

In many countries you
cannot cross a road just anywhere from one sidewalk to the other, often you
are obliged to use the nearest zebra crossing or cross near intersections.
At least in theory.
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Volker Schmidt]

@Mateusz

With so detailed tagging I would simply mark sidewalk as a separate
> highway=footway + footway=sidewalk.
>

In principle I agree with you, but if I tag a separate footway I also have
to tag all possible connections with the adjacent street, i.e. points where
pedetians can cross the road and crossings with lateral streets (and in my
area deal with badly aligned, imported, buildings that leave no space
between road and building). That's why in many cases the sidewalk= ... tag
is easier to handle and I wanted to be able to use it with width indication
as well.
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Re: [Tagging] sidewalk width

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:18:43 +0200
Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> and in my area deal with badly aligned, imported, buildings
> that leave no space between road and building). That's why in many
> cases the sidewalk= ... tag is easier to handle 

In case of malformed import making hard to edit I would probably
fix/revert/delete imported objects and start remapping - like it was
done in case described in
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Abbe98/diary/28368

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