Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Warin]

On 28/8/20 8:05 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 05:31, Richard Welty > wrote:



again in the US, state and county fairgrounds are permanent facilities
which function as event space when the fair is not actually going on.
the midway is usually temporary, but the buildings for, say,
agricultural exhibits are permanent, as is the race track (at many
fairs), which might be for horses or cars.


As Phil said for the UK, in Australia they are Showgrounds, with just 
about every country town having their own.


As per your description, the show is usually only on for one weekend a 
year, but there are permanent buildings & facilities on site, & the 
area is  frequently used as a caravan / tourist park for the rest of 
the year.



In Australia:

"The Show" (where ever it is) as Graeme says, is once a year for a week 
or two. However other events are also held at the same venue.


For example via a quick web search, the Mt Isa Show 1 week per year in 
June, Mt Isa Roedo 1 week per year in August, Mt Isa Motor Show and Swap 
Meet 1 day per year in August and there are others.


Presently in OSM as a recreation ground as Way: Buchannan Park 
Racecourse 455194137. I would assume racing takes place here as well as 
the above 'shows'.



The few I've just checked are currently tagged with a mixture of 
either leisure=park or landuse=recreation_ground. Personally, of the 
two options, I'd prefer rec. ground, which I notice a few of your 
samples were also tagged as.


Thanks

Graeme



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Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 05:31, Richard Welty  wrote:

>
> again in the US, state and county fairgrounds are permanent facilities
> which function as event space when the fair is not actually going on.
> the midway is usually temporary, but the buildings for, say,
> agricultural exhibits are permanent, as is the race track (at many
> fairs), which might be for horses or cars.
>

As Phil said for the UK, in Australia they are Showgrounds, with just about
every country town having their own.

As per your description, the show is usually only on for one weekend a
year, but there are permanent buildings & facilities on site, & the area
is  frequently used as a caravan / tourist park for the rest of the year.

The few I've just checked are currently tagged with a mixture of either
leisure=park or landuse=recreation_ground. Personally, of the two options,
I'd prefer rec. ground, which I notice a few of your samples were also
tagged as.

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 15:29 -0400, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 8/27/20 12:35 PM, Paul Allen wrote:
> > As is fair.  Without further qualification, I'd interpret "fair" as
> > a
> > (temporary, mobile) funfair: an annual event with fairground rides,
> > stalls, etc. I think American usage may tend more towards trade
> > fairs.
> > 
> > As for mapping the temporary funfair thing, that's difficult, at
> > least
> > around
> > here.  Every November the town's biggest car park is closed to
> > parking
> > for a week and is used for several fairground rides and a couple of
> > food
> > stalls.
> > As part of the same event, for a couple of days most of the town
> > centre is
> > closed to traffic and the streets are filled with market stalls
> > selling
> > all sort
> > of things of varying quality, from real bargains to absolute
> > garbage (like
> > eBay made physical).  Hard to map.
> > 
> > There is also an annual agricultural-based show held in some large
> > fields.
> 
> i'm fine with a british english equivalent if there is one.
> 
In British English they are showgrounds.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48473181

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806

Phil (trigpoint)




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Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Richard Welty]

On 8/27/20 12:35 PM, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> As is fair.  Without further qualification, I'd interpret "fair" as a
> (temporary, mobile) funfair: an annual event with fairground rides,
> stalls, etc. I think American usage may tend more towards trade fairs.
> 
> As for mapping the temporary funfair thing, that's difficult, at least
> around
> here.  Every November the town's biggest car park is closed to parking
> for a week and is used for several fairground rides and a couple of food
> stalls.
> As part of the same event, for a couple of days most of the town centre is
> closed to traffic and the streets are filled with market stalls selling
> all sort
> of things of varying quality, from real bargains to absolute garbage (like
> eBay made physical).  Hard to map.
> 
> There is also an annual agricultural-based show held in some large fields.

i'm fine with a british english equivalent if there is one.

temporary fairgrounds in the US are things on the order of the world's
fairs, which are really international and frequently last for two
seasons, the long side of temporary.

again in the US, state and county fairgrounds are permanent facilities
which function as event space when the fair is not actually going on.
the midway is usually temporary, but the buildings for, say,
agricultural exhibits are permanent, as is the race track (at many
fairs), which might be for horses or cars.

all of the following are fair grounds in upstate NY

washington county fair grounds:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/43.09455/-73.54859

rensselaer county fair grounds:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.90539/-73.58926

altamont fairgrounds:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.69712/-74.02660

NY State fairgrounds:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.0749/-76.2197

tagging is wildly inconsistant because there is not clear guidance
on these structured fairgrounds in the wiki. and they are all over the
US. this is a just a quick sampling.

while i recognize that at the present time, OHM concerns are of limited
interest here, tagging historic fairs is a use cae for this tagging as
well. my map of the 1964-5 NY World's Fair (a work in progress) is a
case in point:

https://www.openhistoricalmap.org/#map=16/40.7465/-73.8439=O

so these things do exist, a fair number of them in the US, and are
not really temporary.

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Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Paul Allen]

On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 at 17:19, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 27/08/2020 17:04, Richard Welty wrote:
>
> "fairgrounds" is more of an American rather than a British English way
> of referring to these sorts of things, I think.


As is fair.  Without further qualification, I'd interpret "fair" as a
(temporary, mobile) funfair: an annual event with fairground rides,
stalls, etc. I think American usage may tend more towards trade fairs.

As for mapping the temporary funfair thing, that's difficult, at least
around
here.  Every November the town's biggest car park is closed to parking
for a week and is used for several fairground rides and a couple of food
stalls.
As part of the same event, for a couple of days most of the town centre is
closed to traffic and the streets are filled with market stalls selling all
sort
of things of varying quality, from real bargains to absolute garbage (like
eBay made physical).  Hard to map.

There is also an annual agricultural-based show held in some large fields.

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Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Andy Townsend]

On 27/08/2020 17:04, Richard Welty wrote:

so i'd like to propose one of these two


"fairgrounds" is more of an American rather than a British English way 
of referring to these sorts of things, I think.  See 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2020-February/thread.html#24188 
for a discussion on the GB list, and the first reply to that links to 
previous discussions.  Also on this list 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/thread.html#51268 
etc.


Best Regards,

Andy



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[Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

[Richard Welty]

i've had a little discussion of this over on the slack tagging channel.

i'm currently working on some historic World's Fair/Exhibition sites,
and also have reviewed a number of fair grounds in the US.

we really don't have any tagging specific to these sorts of structured
park-like areas that have extensive exhibition spaces. park and
recreation ground are not quite there.

so i'd like to propose one of these two

landuse=fairground
leisure=fairground

i'm ok with either. the idea is that these represent a structured
area with pavilions or exhibition spaces, perhaps a midway, and
so forth. it would be applicable both to such things as the periodic
"World's Fairs" and to the many local fairgrounds (they're all over
the US, tied to county and state fairs during the summer.)
fairgrounds in the US are currently tagged somewhat erratically as
mappers guess at what tags apply.

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