Re: [Tagging] Tagging religion-based access & on-topic

[EthnicFood IsGreat]

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 13:24:22 +0200
From: Rory McCann 
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access & on-topic


[...]

And I think we can have a tagging discussion without mocking all
religions (not all of which believe in an afterlife BTW).

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 +1

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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access & on-topic

[Mateusz Konieczny]

access:muslim=yes would need to be combined with access=no,what would be 
problematic - if anybody is processing access info it would end 
marking temples as forbidden.

And yes, trolling in form of mocking anybody should not be present 
on OSM mailing lists.

5. Lipiec 2018 13:24 od r...@technomancy.org :


> I think access:*=yes/no is the most friendly to data consumers since a
> consumer can just look at all keys starting with "access:" and go from
> there. This could be useful for less frequent access tags.
>
> And I think we can have a tagging discussion without mocking all
> religions (not all of which believe in an afterlife BTW).
>
> On 04/07/18 22:29, Paul Allen wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Jmapb <>> jm...@gmx.com 
>> >>  <>> mailto:jm...@gmx.com 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> I'd suggest something like access=customers, but that comes off as
>> cheeky when you're talking about religion.
>>
>>
>> Seems OK to me.  They're selling after-life insurance.  Pay your tithe or 
>> put money on the collection plate and you
>> go to heaven.  And there's a money-back guarantee: if you don't go to 
>> heaven, or there's no afterlife at all, simply
>> return and make a complaint and they'll give you your money back.  They've 
>> never had to pay up under that
>> guarantee in the thousands of years they've been operating.  That shows how 
>> good they are.
>>
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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access & on-topic

[Rory McCann]

I think access:*=yes/no is the most friendly to data consumers since a
consumer can just look at all keys starting with "access:" and go from
there. This could be useful for less frequent access tags.

And I think we can have a tagging discussion without mocking all
religions (not all of which believe in an afterlife BTW).

On 04/07/18 22:29, Paul Allen wrote:
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Jmapb 
> wrote:


I'd suggest something like access=customers, but that comes off as
cheeky when you're talking about religion.


Seems OK to me.  They're selling after-life insurance.  Pay your tithe 
or put money on the collection plate and you
go to heaven.  And there's a money-back guarantee: if you don't go to 
heaven, or there's no afterlife at all, simply
return and make a complaint and they'll give you your money back.  
They've never had to pay up under that
guarantee in the thousands of years they've been operating.  That shows 
how good they are.


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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Mateusz Konieczny]

At this moment this is my favourite. It will not break existing data 
consumerslike access=no, muslim=yes would, it should be readable for others,it 
avoids problems where it would turn out that only some subtype of religion 
iswelcomed at given place but it was not clear for an outsider.


29. Czerwiec 2018 20:43 od doerr.step...@gmail.com 
:


>
> How about:
>
> amenity=place_of_worship
> religion=muslim
> access=adherents
>
> ?
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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Paul Allen]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Jmapb  wrote:

> I'd suggest something like access=customers, but that comes off as cheeky
> when you're talking about religion.
>

Seems OK to me.  They're selling after-life insurance.  Pay your tithe or
put money on the collection plate and you
go to heaven.  And there's a money-back guarantee: if you don't go to
heaven, or there's no afterlife at all, simply
return and make a complaint and they'll give you your money back.  They've
never had to pay up under that
guarantee in the thousands of years they've been operating.  That shows how
good they are.

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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Jmapb]

I'd suggest something like access=customers, but that comes off as 
cheeky when you're talking about religion. So maybe access=adherents?


J

On 6/29/2018 3:55 PM, Erkin Alp Güney wrote:

islam=only.


29-06-2018 21:35 tarihinde Mateusz Konieczny yazdı:

I thought about it but it is not clear that it refers to access. Also,
it would cause problems
for anybody processing popular tags (like access) and not processing
very rare new tags
(muslim).

For example

amenity=place_of_worship
muslim=yes
religion=muslim
access=no

would be quite unclear, with muslim=yes looking like duplicate of
religion=muslim.

29. Jun 2018 20:32 by t...@fitchdesign.com :

 Maybe something like

 access=no
 muslim=yes

 better fit the existing schemes for tagging access?


 On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
 mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> wrote:

 I thought about muslim_only=yes tag.


 27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com
 :

 Is there some established way to tag religion-based access
 restrictions?

 For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical
 mosque.




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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[osm.tagging]

This right there is a major reason why it was a bad idea to allow 
“transportmode=accessvalue” and not always require 
“access:transportmode=accessvalue”…

 

From: Mateusz Konieczny  
Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2018 04:36
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Subject: Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

 

I thought about it but it is not clear that it refers to access. Also, it would 
cause problems

for anybody processing popular tags (like access) and not processing very rare 
new tags

(muslim).

 

For example

 

amenity=place_of_worship

muslim=yes

religion=muslim

access=no

 

would be quite unclear, with muslim=yes looking like duplicate of 
religion=muslim.

 

 

 

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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Mateusz Konieczny]

access=designated is meaningless and usually nonsense.
It means that all access types are designated, except specified otherwise what 
generally is not happening.

29. Jun 2018 21:33 by cliff...@snowandsnow.us :


> Another alternative, without having to introduce a new value, would be 
> access=designated. 
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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Erkin Alp Güney]

islam=only.


29-06-2018 21:35 tarihinde Mateusz Konieczny yazdı:
> I thought about it but it is not clear that it refers to access. Also,
> it would cause problems
> for anybody processing popular tags (like access) and not processing
> very rare new tags
> (muslim).
>
> For example
>
> amenity=place_of_worship
> muslim=yes
> religion=muslim
> access=no
>
> would be quite unclear, with muslim=yes looking like duplicate of
> religion=muslim.
>
> 29. Jun 2018 20:32 by t...@fitchdesign.com :
>
> Maybe something like
>
> access=no
> muslim=yes
>
> better fit the existing schemes for tagging access?
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
> mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> wrote:
>
> I thought about muslim_only=yes tag.
>
>
> 27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com
> :
>
> Is there some established way to tag religion-based access
> restrictions?
>
> For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical
> mosque.
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Clifford Snow]

Another alternative, without having to introduce a new value, would be
access=designated.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 11:44 AM Stephen Doerr 
wrote:

> How about:
>
> amenity=place_of_worship
> religion=muslim
> access=adherents
>
> ?
>
>
> On 29 June 2018, at 19:36, Mateusz Konieczny 
> wrote:
>
>
> I thought about it but it is not clear that it refers to access. Also, it
> would cause problems
> for anybody processing popular tags (like access) and not processing very
> rare new tags
> (muslim).
>
> For example
>
> amenity=place_of_worship
> muslim=yes
> religion=muslim
> access=no
>
> would be quite unclear, with muslim=yes looking like duplicate of
> religion=muslim.
>
> 29. Jun 2018 20:32 by t...@fitchdesign.com:
>
> Maybe something like
>
> access=no
> muslim=yes
>
> better fit the existing schemes for tagging access?
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Mateusz Konieczny 
> wrote:
>
> I thought about muslim_only=yes tag.
>
>
> 27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com:
>
> Is there some established way to tag religion-based access restrictions?
>
> For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical mosque.
>
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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Stephen Doerr]

How about:

amenity=place_of_worship
religion=muslim
access=adherents

?


On 29 June 2018, at 19:36, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:

I thought about it but it is not clear that it refers to access. Also, it would 
cause problems

for anybody processing popular tags (like access) and not processing very rare 
new tags

(muslim).


For example


amenity=place_of_worship

muslim=yes

religion=muslim

access=no


would be quite unclear, with muslim=yes looking like duplicate of 
religion=muslim.


29. Jun 2018 20:32 by t...@fitchdesign.com:

Maybe something like


access=no

muslim=yes


better fit the existing schemes for tagging access?



On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:


I thought about muslim_only=yes tag.


27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com:

Is there some established way to tag religion-based access restrictions?


For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical mosque.


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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Tod Fitch]

Maybe something like

access=no
muslim=yes

better fit the existing schemes for tagging access?


> On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  
> wrote:
> 
> I thought about muslim_only=yes tag.
> 
> 
> 27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com 
> :
> 
> Is there some established way to tag religion-based access restrictions?
> 
> For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical mosque.

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Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Mateusz Konieczny]

I thought about muslim_only=yes tag.


27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com :


> > Is there some established way to tag religion-based access restrictions?
> For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical mosque.
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[Tagging] tagging religion-based access

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Is there some established way to tag religion-based access restrictions?
For example in Morocco only Muslims may enter a typical mosque.
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