Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Allan Mustard]

John and Warin are correct.  These are not government offices.  They are
either contractors (private firms with a government contract) or
lawyers/paralegals offering visa application assistance.

When I was posted to Istanbul three decades ago, before computers took
over, some enterprising fellows with typewriters set up folding tables
and chairs on the sidewalk across the street from the American Consulate
General in Tepebashi.  For a fee they would type up visa applications in
English for Turks who spoke no English and had no access to a
typewriter.  They were certainly not U.S. government employees but they
provided visa application services.  A photo studio around the corner
specialized in visa photos that met U.S. requirements.  The offices you
want to tag are rather similar in terms of the services offered and
rendered.  They just have real offices, digital cameras, dactylographic
scanners, and desktop computers connected to the Internet these days.

On 11/8/2018 5:05 AM, John Willis wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government
>> authority/branch/department/etc
>> 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
>> 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
>> 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
>> 5) it is not within the country where the visa is used
> if they don’t issue visas, they are immigration or travel
> paralegals/lawyers. this sounds like people assisting tourists. An
> office assisting people trying to get *residence* in a country is
> certainly an immigration lawyer.  
>
> This does sound like something completely different than the
> amenity=immigration I am thinking of. 
>
> I am unsure of a tag - but simply office=visa should be out.
> office=travel assistance or visa assistance or something. 
>
> Javbw
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Allan Mustard]

This is a contractor, so it is not a government office.  The U.S.
government does this also in high-volume consular districts. 
Application is made through a contractor, though the interview takes
place in the consulate.  Office=visa_application would be more accurate,
since visa adjudication still takes place in the consulate.


On 11/8/2018 12:37 PM, Johnparis wrote:
> I tagged one of these office=visa the other day.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4374770543
>
> The offices I'm thinking of are private companies that have government
> contracts to provide services that the government itself would
> normally provide. In many cases they are indistinguishable from a
> government office, so the question of verifiability enters my mind.
>
> For instance, the UK visa office in Paris has big signs outside and
> inside reading "Welcome to Great Britain". I'm frankly not sure if the
> space is rented by the UK or by TLS Contact, which holds the contract.
>
> https://corp.tlscontact.com
>
> Their staff members gather the information for your application,
> including fingerprints, photos, etc., as well as your passport. They
> then seal this in a clear plastic container. After it is sealed, you
> cannot add or remove anything. The fee is set by the UK and paid to
> TLS Contact.
>
> The dossier then goes to London, where a decision is made on your visa
> and the entire dossier is returned to Paris. You pick it up next door
> to the original office from someone behind bulletproof glass. (You
> don't learn the nature of the decision till you look at your
> passport.) This is the only way to get a UK visa in Paris. If you go
> to the UK Embassy or Consulate, they will direct you to the visa office.
>
> Is this an "office=government"? It certainly is quasi-governmental. Do
> they provide visa services? Surely yes, in my mind. In fact, they are
> the only place in Paris that provide visa services for the UK. If you
> want to get any kind of visa -- long term (expat), tourist, transit --
> that's where you go.
>
> So (agreeing with John Willis) I'd say office=visa for these.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 6:16 AM John Willis  > wrote:
>
> Is the office full of people who you pay to help you apply? Or are
> they contracted to be the front-otfice of the agency (acceptance &
> distribution)? В 
>
> It seems to be the latter.В 
>
> Think of taxes.В 
>
> The office where you submit taxes, and an office where a
> professional helps you prepare the forms are two different places.В 
>
> Office=tax_preparation and office=tax are different.В 
>
>
> If this is some office (public or private) with an official
> mandate to accept applications and distribute visas (whether
> approved onsite immidately or approved elsewhere and mailed to the
> office for distribution), that does sound like office=visa.В 
>
> If it is some private business who you pay to help you prepare the
> form, and you mail it to the government and get your visa
> directly, it sounds like office=visa_preperation or
> office=immigration_lawyer.В 
>
> I am unfamiliar with the situation you described - so please
> choose the best tag that suits your needs.В 
>
> Javbw
>
> On Nov 8, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government
 authority/branch/department/etc
 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
>>
>> It is an office you go to. You present documents, they ask
>> questions, you answer, you pay a fee,
>> the office fills out forms using that information provided
>> (and they then send it off to an embassy/consulate)
>> and then some time later you get a visa back from the office
>> (but the visa itself is actually from the embassy/consulate).
>>
>> In the above situation, what is wrong with office=visa ? You
>> apply to the office, they (usually) get you a visa.
>>
>>
>> Here, the Japanese consulate never accepts direct visa
>> application and instructs people to only submit visa applications
>> through accredited travel agencies.
>>
>> On the other hand, many European consulates here contract a
>> 3rd-party visa processing company such as the aforementioned VFS
>> Global to handle all visa applications. These companies even have
>> equipment to collect biometric data such as photographs and
>> fingerprints that will be forwarded to the consulates together
>> with the visa applications.
>>
>>  

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Johnparis]

I tagged one of these office=visa the other day.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4374770543

The offices I'm thinking of are private companies that have government
contracts to provide services that the government itself would normally
provide. In many cases they are indistinguishable from a government office,
so the question of verifiability enters my mind.

For instance, the UK visa office in Paris has big signs outside and inside
reading "Welcome to Great Britain". I'm frankly not sure if the space is
rented by the UK or by TLS Contact, which holds the contract.

https://corp.tlscontact.com

Their staff members gather the information for your application, including
fingerprints, photos, etc., as well as your passport. They then seal this
in a clear plastic container. After it is sealed, you cannot add or remove
anything. The fee is set by the UK and paid to TLS Contact.

The dossier then goes to London, where a decision is made on your visa and
the entire dossier is returned to Paris. You pick it up next door to the
original office from someone behind bulletproof glass. (You don't learn the
nature of the decision till you look at your passport.) This is the only
way to get a UK visa in Paris. If you go to the UK Embassy or Consulate,
they will direct you to the visa office.

Is this an "office=government"? It certainly is quasi-governmental. Do they
provide visa services? Surely yes, in my mind. In fact, they are the only
place in Paris that provide visa services for the UK. If you want to get
any kind of visa -- long term (expat), tourist, transit -- that's where you
go.

So (agreeing with John Willis) I'd say office=visa for these.

John

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 6:16 AM John Willis  wrote:

> Is the office full of people who you pay to help you apply? Or are they
> contracted to be the front-otfice of the agency (acceptance &
> distribution)?
>
> It seems to be the latter.
>
> Think of taxes.
>
> The office where you submit taxes, and an office where a professional
> helps you prepare the forms are two different places.
>
> Office=tax_preparation and office=tax are different.
>
>
> If this is some office (public or private) with an official mandate to
> accept applications and distribute visas (whether approved onsite
> immidately or approved elsewhere and mailed to the office for
> distribution), that does sound like office=visa.
>
> If it is some private business who you pay to help you prepare the form,
> and you mail it to the government and get your visa directly, it sounds
> like office=visa_preperation or office=immigration_lawyer.
>
> I am unfamiliar with the situation you described - so please choose the
> best tag that suits your needs.
>
> Javbw
>
> On Nov 8, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government
>> authority/branch/department/etc
>> 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
>> 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
>> 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
>>
>>
>> It is an office you go to. You present documents, they ask questions, you
>> answer, you pay a fee,
>> the office fills out forms using that information provided (and they then
>> send it off to an embassy/consulate)
>> and then some time later you get a visa back from the office (but the
>> visa itself is actually from the embassy/consulate).
>>
>> In the above situation, what is wrong with office=visa ? You apply to the
>> office, they (usually) get you a visa.
>>
>
> Here, the Japanese consulate never accepts direct visa application and
> instructs people to only submit visa applications through accredited travel
> agencies.
>
> On the other hand, many European consulates here contract a 3rd-party visa
> processing company such as the aforementioned VFS Global to handle all visa
> applications. These companies even have equipment to collect biometric data
> such as photographs and fingerprints that will be forwarded to the
> consulates together with the visa applications.
>
> I would think that the first case should be tagged like other travel
> agencies because visa handling is just one of their services (they also
> arrange tours and purchase airline tickets). For the second case, they do
> nothing else besides processing visa applications on behalf of the
> contracting consulates. So they are not travel agencies. I think they
> should indeed be tagged with something like office=visa or better yet
> office=visa_processing so it is clearer.
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[John Willis]

Is the office full of people who you pay to help you apply? Or are they 
contracted to be the front-otfice of the agency (acceptance & distribution)?  

It seems to be the latter. 

Think of taxes. 

The office where you submit taxes, and an office where a professional helps you 
prepare the forms are two different places. 

Office=tax_preparation and office=tax are different. 


If this is some office (public or private) with an official mandate to accept 
applications and distribute visas (whether approved onsite immidately or 
approved elsewhere and mailed to the office for distribution), that does sound 
like office=visa. 

If it is some private business who you pay to help you prepare the form, and 
you mail it to the government and get your visa directly, it sounds like 
office=visa_preperation or office=immigration_lawyer. 

I am unfamiliar with the situation you described - so please choose the best 
tag that suits your needs. 

Javbw

> On Nov 8, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
 On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government 
 authority/branch/department/etc
 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
>> 
>> It is an office you go to. You present documents, they ask questions, you 
>> answer, you pay a fee, 
>> the office fills out forms using that information provided (and they then 
>> send it off to an embassy/consulate) 
>> and then some time later you get a visa back from the office (but the visa 
>> itself is actually from the embassy/consulate). 
>> 
>> In the above situation, what is wrong with office=visa ? You apply to the 
>> office, they (usually) get you a visa. 
> 
> Here, the Japanese consulate never accepts direct visa application and 
> instructs people to only submit visa applications through accredited travel 
> agencies.
> 
> On the other hand, many European consulates here contract a 3rd-party visa 
> processing company such as the aforementioned VFS Global to handle all visa 
> applications. These companies even have equipment to collect biometric data 
> such as photographs and fingerprints that will be forwarded to the consulates 
> together with the visa applications.
> 
> I would think that the first case should be tagged like other travel agencies 
> because visa handling is just one of their services (they also arrange tours 
> and purchase airline tickets). For the second case, they do nothing else 
> besides processing visa applications on behalf of the contracting consulates. 
> So they are not travel agencies. I think they should indeed be tagged with 
> something like office=visa or better yet office=visa_processing so it is 
> clearer.
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government
> authority/branch/department/etc
> 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
> 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
> 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
>
>
> It is an office you go to. You present documents, they ask questions, you
> answer, you pay a fee,
> the office fills out forms using that information provided (and they then
> send it off to an embassy/consulate)
> and then some time later you get a visa back from the office (but the visa
> itself is actually from the embassy/consulate).
>
> In the above situation, what is wrong with office=visa ? You apply to the
> office, they (usually) get you a visa.
>

Here, the Japanese consulate never accepts direct visa application and
instructs people to only submit visa applications through accredited travel
agencies.

On the other hand, many European consulates here contract a 3rd-party visa
processing company such as the aforementioned VFS Global to handle all visa
applications. These companies even have equipment to collect biometric data
such as photographs and fingerprints that will be forwarded to the
consulates together with the visa applications.

I would think that the first case should be tagged like other travel
agencies because visa handling is just one of their services (they also
arrange tours and purchase airline tickets). For the second case, they do
nothing else besides processing visa applications on behalf of the
contracting consulates. So they are not travel agencies. I think they
should indeed be tagged with something like office=visa or better yet
office=visa_processing so it is clearer.
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

On 08/11/18 11:05, John Willis wrote:



On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:



1) this is a commercial firm - not a government 
authority/branch/department/etc

2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
5) it is not within the country where the visa is used



if they don’t issue visas, they are immigration or travel 
paralegals/lawyers. this sounds like people assisting tourists. An 
office assisting people trying to get *residence* in a country is 
certainly an immigration lawyer.


This does sound like something completely different than the 
amenity=immigration I am thinking of.


I am unsure of a tag - but simply office=visa should be out. 
office=travel assistance or visa assistance or something.



It is an office you go to. You present documents, they ask questions, 
you answer, you pay a fee,
the office fills out forms using that information provided (and they 
then send it off to an embassy/consulate)
and then some time later you get a visa back from the office (but the 
visa itself is actually from the embassy/consulate).


In the above situation, what is wrong with office=visa ? You apply to 
the office, they (usually) get you a visa.
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[John Willis]

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government 
> authority/branch/department/etc
> 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
> 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
> 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
> 5) it is not within the country where the visa is used


if they don’t issue visas, they are immigration or travel paralegals/lawyers. 
this sounds like people assisting tourists. An office assisting people trying 
to get *residence* in a country is certainly an immigration lawyer.  

This does sound like something completely different than the 
amenity=immigration I am thinking of. 

I am unsure of a tag - but simply office=visa should be out. office=travel 
assistance or visa assistance or something. 

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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

On 07/11/18 12:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 09:59, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:



and where applicable

visa:country=* from country=*


Just to clarify the country tags thanks Warin?

Maybe a bad example but you're travelling from Australia to UK so it 
would be visa:country=UK from country=Australia, or vice versa?


The country where the visa is obtained can be determined by what country 
it is in. Specifying this is redundant information.
The country where the visa applies cannot be found within OSM except by 
tagging it.


So I would tag the country/ies where the visa/s applies.

For the above example visa:country=GB  (not UK :) )

For country codes see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2


My wording could have been better...

visa:country=* (derived from the tag country=* where it exists)



Oh .. look company=visa_centre has 13 uses .. which do you think
better
visa_centre or visa?


I think company=visa sounds better (as well as getting away from the 
centre / center dilemma!)





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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 09:59, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> and where applicable
>
> visa:country=* from country=*
>

Just to clarify the country tags thanks Warin?

Maybe a bad example but you're travelling from Australia to UK so it would
be visa:country=UK from country=Australia, or vice versa?

Oh .. look company=visa_centre has 13 uses .. which do you think better
> visa_centre or visa?
>

I think company=visa sounds better (as well as getting away from the centre
/ center dilemma!)

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

On 03/11/18 12:22, Warin wrote:

Hi,



There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under 
this same cloud.



I have confirmed that these commercial firms., mostly VFS.global. None 
of these are governmental.



I have re tagged them as

office=company

company=visa


and where applicable

visa:country=* from country=*


I might do wiki edit to somewhat document the values in use as shown by 
taginfo, and include visa.



Oh .. look company=visa_centre has 13 uses .. which do you think better 
visa_centre or visa?






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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Anton Klim]

Yep, that's the use case I was describing with VFS, I think people here might 
be conflating/confusing it with an immigration office, where you'd usually go 
when you already have a visa. 

I'm not sure about adding a lower-level company= key, but all for 
office=visa/visa_services. 

Ant

06.11.2018, 22:12, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> The case I have is;
> 
> 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government 
> authority/branch/department/etc
> 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
> 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
> 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
> 5) it is not within the country where the visa is used
> 
> What other thing/s have I left out?
> 
> I would like a tag that applies to;
> 
> 1) a commercial firm, not governmental
> 2) 'assist' with any visa types - so not limited to one type of visa
> 3) any location - not necessarily at an entry point.
> 4) any country or group of countries
> 
> To me that looks like
> office=visa
> country=* - possibly visa:country=* ?
> or
> office=company
> company=visa ?
> country=* - possibly visa:country=* ?
> 
> It is defiantly not
> office=government
> nor
> amenity=embassy
> 
> On 07/11/18 08:17, John Willis wrote:
>> 
>> Tourist visas are handled by different offices - usually at airports.
> 
> Not what I  want to tag, these would be governmental .. so office=government 
> would apply as a primary tag.
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

The case I have is;

1) this is a commercial firm - not a government 
authority/branch/department/etc

2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa
3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder
4) the visa is obtained before travel commences.
5) it is not within the country where the visa is used

What other thing/s have I left out?

I would like a tag that applies to;

1) a commercial firm, not governmental
2) 'assist' with any visa types - so not limited to one type of visa
3) any location - not necessarily at an entry point.
4) any country or group of countries

To me that looks like
office=visa
country=* - possibly visa:country=* ?
or
office=company
company=visa ?
country=* - possibly visa:country=* ?

It is defiantly not
office=government
nor
amenity=embassy

On 07/11/18 08:17, John Willis wrote:


Tourist visas are handled by different offices - usually at airports.


Not what I  want to tag, these would be governmental .. so 
office=government would apply as a primary tag.



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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[John Willis]

Tourist visas are handled by different offices - usually at airports. 

While they may all be "visas" - tourist/guest 90 day visas or an 8h transit 
Visa are treated very differently than any other visa that allows you to reside 
in the country- work, student, spouse, etc visas require office visits to an 
office usually called "immigration" in Japan and the US. 

Usually, there is some office or building that locals know nothing about - and 
foreign residents have to visit. 

Sometimes it is part of a larger building, sometimes not. 

For example, 1/2 of this building is a prison transfer building. The other half 
is a a branch office of the main Tokyo immigration office. 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1420709324#map=19/36.32312/139.00164

Every few years I have to go there to get my Visa renewed, get, my new foreign 
resident card, and eventually submit my application for permanent residence. 

My passport issues are still handled by the US embassy in Tokyo. 

No Japanese citizen ever has to deal with that office - only immigrants. They 
don't handle guest/tourist visas either - only people living there. 

I assume this amenity exists in most countries, in some form or fashion. 

Javbw

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about. 
> If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do not 
> fit. 
> migration is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
> intentions of settling
> 
> So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 'fit'.
> 
> So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this. 
> Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
> government funding. 
> 
> 
>> On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:
>> The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
>>> immigration does not fit all. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, tourist 
>>> visas or does any type of visa. 
>>> I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of visa, 
>>> rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
 Amenity=immigration 
 
 They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
 residents. 
 
 This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need 
 to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
 
 It is the inverse of an embassy. 
 
 Javbw
 
 On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
 
> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
> 
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>> 
>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>> 
>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>> 
>> There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this 
>> same cloud. 
>> 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

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> On 6. Nov 2018, at 08:34, Anton Klim  wrote:
> 
> In the absence of a better tag I used office=company, but could see something 
> like office=visa(_services) being suitable. 


just use a more specific tag, and possibly document it (e.g. as a proposal). 

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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

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I believe the initial email was referring to a private-run visa assistance 
company, like VFS Global?
In the absence of a better tag I used office=company, but could see something 
like office=visa(_services) being suitable. 
It would need to be different for government agencies that might offer similar 
services in some countries. 

Ant

06.11.2018, 7:20, Allan Mustard :

> Migration services issue all visas in many countries, including tourist 
> visas. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about. 
>> If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do not 
>> fit. 
>> migration is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
>> intentions of settling
>> 
>> So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 'fit'.
>> 
>> So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this. 
>> Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
>> government funding. 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:
>>> The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
 immigration does not fit all. 
 
 
 I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, 
 tourist visas or does any type of visa. 
 I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of 
 visa, rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
 
 
 On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
> Amenity=immigration 
> 
> They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
> residents. 
> 
> This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need 
> to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
> 
> It is the inverse of an embassy. 
> 
> Javbw
> 
> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
> 
>> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
>> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
>> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>>> 
>>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>>> 
>>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>>> 
>>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>>> 
>>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>>> 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Allan Mustard]

Migration services issue all visas in many countries, including tourist visas. 

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> On Nov 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about. 
> If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do not 
> fit. 
> migration is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
> intentions of settling
> 
> So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 'fit'.
> 
> So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this. 
> Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
> government funding. 
> 
> 
>> On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:
>> The office=government, government=migration tags already handle   this, 
>> no?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
>>> immigration does not fit all. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, tourist 
>>> visas or does any type of visa. 
>>> I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of visa, 
>>> rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
 Amenity=immigration 
 
 They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
 residents. 
 
 This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need 
 to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
 
 It is the inverse of an embassy. 
 
 Javbw
 
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> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
> 
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>> 
>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>> 
>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>> 
>> There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about.
If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do 
not fit.
*migration* is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
intentions of settling


So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 
'fit'.


So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this.
Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
government funding.



On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:

The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
immigration does not fit all.



I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, 
tourist visas or does any type of visa.
I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of 
visa, rather than having to find out which particular thing they do.



On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:

Amenity=immigration

They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
residents.


This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who 
need to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country.


It is the inverse of an embassy.

Javbw

On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard > wrote:


Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either! More like a 
specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.



On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:

Hi,

Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy.

It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see


https://www.visa-germany.co.za/

I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/


but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ...

There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under 
this same cloud.



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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

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The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
> immigration does not fit all. 
> 
> 
> I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, tourist 
> visas or does any type of visa. 
> I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of visa, 
> rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
> 
> 
>> On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
>> Amenity=immigration 
>> 
>> They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
>> residents. 
>> 
>> This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need to 
>> handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
>> 
>> It is the inverse of an embassy. 
>> 
>> Javbw
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
>>> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
 
 It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
 Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
 
 https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
 
 I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
 website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
 
 but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
 
 There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
immigration does not fit all.



I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, 
tourist visas or does any type of visa.
I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of 
visa, rather than having to find out which particular thing they do.



On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:

Amenity=immigration

They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
residents.


This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who 
need to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country.


It is the inverse of an embassy.

Javbw

On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard > wrote:


Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.



On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:

Hi,

Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy.

It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see


https://www.visa-germany.co.za/

I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/


but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ...

There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[John Willis]

Amenity=immigration 

They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal residents. 

This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need to 
handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 

It is the inverse of an embassy. 

Javbw

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
> 
> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
> 
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>> 
>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>> 
>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>> 
>> There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this same 
>> cloud. 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

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Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a
specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.


On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy.
>
> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German
> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see
>
> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/
>
> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE,
> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/
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[Tagging] visa offices tags

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Hi,

Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy.

It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see


https://www.visa-germany.co.za/

I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/

but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ...

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