Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-04 Thread BGNO BGNO
We don't have to stick to the term trafficability. What would be a good alternative? - usability - passable - passability (there is an abandoned proposal suggesting this term) - usable_if - ??? Cheers, BGNO 2014/1/3 Dave Swarthout wrote: Me either, but there it is. I wouldn't give it much

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-04 Thread Wolfgang Hinsch
Am Samstag, den 04.01.2014, 11:19 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO: We don't have to stick to the term trafficability. What would be a good alternative? - usability - passable - passability (there is an abandoned proposal suggesting this term) - usable_if - ??? None of them. I think it's a bad

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
So, let me know if you disagree with this summary. Highway here excludes highway=track and highway=path. A highway is bad (significantly worse for most people than its best possible state) when it contains any of the following tags: - tracktype=grade2/grade3/grade4/grade5 -

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
How about using smoothness:condition or ford:condition for that? On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Wolfgang Hinsch osm-lis...@ivkasogis.de wrote: Am Samstag, den 04.01.2014, 11:19 +0100 schrieb BGNO BGNO: We don't have to stick to the term trafficability. What would be a good alternative? -

Re: [Tagging] parking conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Wolfgang Hinsch
Am Freitag, den 03.01.2014, 20:18 -0500 schrieb Richard Welty: On 1/3/14 8:10 PM, One Hwang wrote: Suppose I wanted to tag to show that parking is prohibited on north side of Street X. Should I use parking:lane:right or parking:lane:left? that depends on what the direction of the way

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Gerald Weber
Based on the agreed practice in Brazil, I would tag this one either as highway=unclassified or highway=track, depending on how much this is in use and what it connects (I cannot determine this from pictures alone) with surface=dirt or surface=ground. One other point I want to make. I

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
Still on this parenthesis, our authorities simply administer, they do not publish any official recognition of importance (other than I administer this road). Using this as criterion, classification becomes highly subjective guesswork in Brazil and doesn't work well as Gerald pointed out. It is how

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread malenki
Fernando Trebien wrote on Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:00:34 -0200: So, let me know if you disagree with this summary. Highway here excludes highway=track and highway=path. A highway is bad (significantly worse for most people than its best possible state) when it contains any of the following tags: -

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-04 Thread BGNO BGNO
I understand the point you are making. A key flooded is already in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=flooded May be we can continue with something based on that one. Cheers, BGNO 2014/1/4 Wolfgang Hinsch osm-lis...@ivkasogis.de: Please tag what is to be seen on the ground. If

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:17 AM, malenki o...@malenki.ch wrote: I personally would exclude grade2 as definition for really bad highway For the rest I agree. Would you agree that it's potentially bad? -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months.

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Gerald Weber
If you want a full justification of why a particular way was classified as it is, then I think you need a reasonably full description of a surface that would be useful for various kinds of routing. Considering what we've debated so far and also the characteristics that are used in many road

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
I've thought about that once. An accelerometer may estimate the frequency of bumps, but their depth would require informing the app about some very specific technical of information (such as car weight and some coefficient to express how its dampener has been tuned - that or the car's resonance

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/3 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com We have a tag for this, it's smoothness: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness I am for a combination of surface and surface tags. +1 A problem I see with smoothness is not what it tries to describe, but the actual values used to do so.

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The descriptions on the smoothness page, i.e. thin_rollers, thin_wheels, wheels, robust_wheels, high_clearance, off_road_wheels, specialized_off_road_wheels, No wheeled vehicle are easier to understand and more

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014/1/4 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/3 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com I am for a combination of surface and surface tags. +1 Hehe The descriptions on the smoothness page, i.e. thin_rollers, thin_wheels, wheels, robust_wheels, high_clearance, off_road_wheels,

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
One example of a set of values for footpaths: stiletto_heels, flipflops, sneakers, hiking_boots, mountaineering_boots. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Dominic Hosler
I really like the combination of keeping surface and using smoothness to cover quality. All types of roads and all users could be served by changing the values to the wheel descriptions. This would be a closed set that is fairly robust, if we also added something to represent weather

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful _SUMMARY_ for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread David Bannon
OK, this discussion is huge and conducted in a great manner. But being so huge, I feel lost ! So, here is an attempt to summarize where we are and what the options seems to be. Maybe by identifying what we already agree on, we can see the way into the rest ? If people think its a good idea I

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful _SUMMARY_ for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-04 Thread Dave Swarthout
Well said. I'm for that approach. These threads are nearly impossible to keep in your head as new comments and views emerge. I'm not sure consensus will be easy to arrive at in either case but it's worth a try. Create a new unified proposal page and go from there. I agree that the smoothness